Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 03:01:52 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #17 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Gotch, BJJ etc. (Musilat@aol.com) 2. Re: Catch Wrestling (Kaesa@aol.com) 3. Sundry (Marc Denny) 4. Hugh Kelley (UMAAIHOMBU@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:49:50 -0500 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Gotch, BJJ etc. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I have a feeling that in the years to come, there will be a whole new breed of fighter that will be able to finish a fight without going to the ground. Wishful thinking? Perhaps. But if it does happen, it would not be the first time new ideas flew in the face of conventional wisdom. That's always how art goes to the next level. Best to all, Steve Kohn Torrance, CA --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Kaesa@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:29:35 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Catch Wrestling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, I don't know Tony personally, but on his forum it looks like he is better off than he was this time last year, but is not out of the woods yet. He is demonstrating some clubbell exercises on his site, and is looking pretty strong though. I have all of his tapes and could not be happier with them. It's a lot different from some of the grappling taught nowadays. Fwiw, Joe --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:26:39 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Sundry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All > The news of Grandmaster Lema, and the question as to the cause of his death > reminded me of something else. I never heard the cause of Edgar Sulite's > passing. I'm not sure how old he was, but it sure seems like he went well > before his time. Can someone explain the circumstances of his death? I > apologize for the morbid question, but at the time his passing came as > somewhat of a surprise to me and I never heard any of the details. PG Edgar was 39 and died of a stroke shortly after getting off the plane in the Philippines. After a terrible near-death experience while flying to a seminar (the wings went perpendicular on an approach to a landing) he had a strong aversion to flying and drove to all his seminars around the US. He stopped by to say goodbye the day before he left to visit the homeland and seemed in decent health to me. Apart from the human tragedy of his widow Felisa and his 5 children, there is the great loss to the FMA community. PG Edgar was quite rare in the depth and breadth (sp?) of his knowledge of different systems, styles and masters throughout the Philippines. His book "Masters of Arnis, Kali and Eskrima" is highly, highly recommended to all FMA practitioners. In addition to his Lameco, (a major influence on DBMA BTW) he was meant to be a bridge to the mortal knowledge of these things. Felisa carries on with Lameco Eskrima Int'l http://www.lamecoeskrima.com/ LEI makes some superb sparring gear of unique design by PG Edgar. > Oh, almost forgot. Assuming Mr. Denny has seen/done the Shooto at the > Inosanto Academy, maybe he can compare and contrast that training with the > BJJ of the Machados and others. That would be cool (albeit non-FMA related, > LOL). I have the highest regard for Yori Nakamura. Not only are his technical skills superb, I think if he had gone into the cage he would have done very, very well. My exposure to Shooto at the Inosanto Academy is modest, so what follows should be taken in that light. For me the choice in 1990 to get involved with the Machados instead of the Shooto was in great part a matter of the teaching progression. The Shooto progression included a lot of its distinctive approach to kickboxing (in the presence of grappling) whereas in my own evolution I had done about as much kickboxing as I was inclined to do. Focused on Dog Brother Real Contact Stickfighting, I needed grappling skills NOW and with the Machados not only was I able to focus on that, but I was able to get some help in my explorations of stickgrappling. Also, the Shooto progression (at least as I saw it 10 years ago) began with lots of lock flows, and again, I needed grappling skills NOW. I do not criticize the lock flows-- to the contrary, I think a lot of the magnificent flow and creativity that Erik Paulsen shows was given fertile material to work with by these lock flows. Simply, for me, starting grappling at age 39 and actively fighting, it was not for me. No doubt if I had the time I would have benefited. Tangent: An example of the law of unintended consequences: Another reason I veered away from the Shooto was its emphasis on leg locks from the very beginning of training. Hyper beginners exploring leg locks frightened me. So naturally it was with a hyper 6'7" BJJ blue belt that I got my knee snapped (ACL, PCL and LCL) while warming up with Judo throws. Anyway, the Shooto class at the Inosanto Academy follows mine on Saturdays and when it rains and I can't go to the Dune or have the backyard thing I'll hang for a bit and see what they are doing. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 From: UMAAIHOMBU@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:02:37 EST To: policedo@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hugh Kelley Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Please give my warmest regards and special thank yous to all the wonderful Martial Artists who prayed for my husband, Dr. Hugh Kelley, during his recent, unexpected heart bypass surgery and the follow-up emergency surgery two hours later due to an artery in his heart being knicked. We are especially grateful to our long time friends Grand Master Leo T. Fong, his wife Minnie Fong and Grand Master Masaharu Sakimukai and his wife Takako Sakimukai. "Shihan" is doing fine and should be back to producing motion pictures in March 2003! Thank you again and HAPPY NEW YEAR to All. Sincerely, Mrs. Sharon Lynn Stevenson Kelley --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, www.MartialArtsResource.com, www.Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest