Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:09:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #38 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Bringing back souvenirs (Peter Gow) 2. Indonesia (Marc Denny) 3. Re: Professor (Young Forest) 4. Re: the Professor question (Ernest Westbrook) 5. Re: Clumsy (Ernest Westbrook) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 05:34:15 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Bringing back souvenirs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jason, I recently returned from HK and stopped over in NZ airport. They have some really solid walking sticks for sale at the airport - solid Kauri,  if my memory serves me right approx NZ$70 which is about US$30. You can hire cars there as well. Have Fun, Peter Gow   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:02:35 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Indonesia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: I have no basis for an opinion, but thought that this might be of interest. Woof, Crafty --------------- Indonesia: Focus on Borders Aims for Internal Cohesion Summary The Indonesian government is preparing to write a bill on state borders, highlighting recent concerns sparked by last year's International Court of Justice ruling that Malaysia had sovereignty over the disputed Sipadan and Ligitan islands. But Indonesia's intensified focus on border security might be more than a reaction to the court's ruling. Jakarta also hopes to stir national pride and unity as the government continues to struggle with domestic, economic and security issues that threaten to tear the nation apart. Analysis Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri said Jan. 29 that the government and legislature had agreed on the need to write a bill addressing Indonesia's borders. The decision comes amid an intensive refocus on Indonesia's borders, following the Dec. 17 ruling by the International Court of Justice that the disputed islands of Sipadan and Ligitan belong to Malaysia. While the ICJ ruling was unpleasant for Jakarta, it was not unexpected. Malaysia has had administrative control of the islands for years, and Sipadan itself is well-known as a Malaysian scuba resort. Rather, Indonesia sees two distinct issues regarding its borders. The military has noted several times that it lacks the equipment and funds to provide adequate patrols -- and thus is seeking more money. Meanwhile, the government -- faced with continued economic uncertainty and growing public dissatisfaction -- is hoping to stir nationalism, and thus unity and support for the government. Over the past few weeks, Indonesia has taken several steps toward redefining its borders and raising awareness of national sovereignty. The military has stressed that its two primary issues for the year will be to deal with the separatist problems in Aceh and West Papua -- placing priority on protecting Indonesia's territorial integrity. Neighboring Papua New Guinea has noted a buildup of troops along the West Papua border. At the other end of the archipelago, the military has said the Free Aceh Movement remains in violation of the Dec. 9 truce, and thus it cannot withdraw its forces from the province. Beyond the internal separatist threats, there have been increased discussions of protecting Indonesia's land borders with Malaysia, East Timor and Papua New Guinea. There also is a renewed interest in guarding Indonesia's maritime borders, with the navy and the Ministry of Maritime and Fisheries proposing plans to safeguard Indonesia's outlying unoccupied islands. Jakarta is concerned that these islands, from which Indonesia's maritime borders are delineated, must be better managed in order to keep them from physically sinking into the ocean -- and thus shrinking Indonesia's claims on its territorial sea and its exclusive economic zones. More directly, Jakarta has raised the issue of taking control over its airspace. Malaysia and Singapore currently manage some flight information over parts of Sumatra and western Indonesia. Jakarta also reportedly is reconsidering Singapore's permission to use Indonesian airspace for its military aircraft. Indonesia's maritime authorities have taken a stronger approach to illegal fishing vessels in the nation's territorial waters -- detaining eight foreign ships and sinking four Philippine fishing vessels this week alone. The increased military action and attention to the borders might be part of the armed forces' ongoing move to reassert their authority as the one key bastion of stability in Indonesia. And to be even more effective, the military can argue, it needs more money and tools to protect Indonesia's territorial integrity. But the political apparatus in Jakarta has its own motives for playing up border issues at this time. Jakarta and several other cities were rocked by public demonstrations against recent energy price hikes, leading the government to retreat from its already embattled economic program just as foreign aid donors were meeting to discuss new loans and assistance to Indonesia. While the demonstrations themselves did not pose an immediate threat to the standing government, they were a clear reminder of the economic troubles and social dissatisfaction brewing among Indonesia's 231 million citizens. By refocusing attention on border issues -- particularly areas where neighboring nations could compromise the sovereignty of Indonesia -- Jakarta might hope to redirect some of the pent-up ire and stir a strong sense of nationalism. This would not be the first time that the Indonesian government tried such a course. Three decades ago, Megawati's father, then-President Sukarno, launched the Konfrontasi, a low-grade guerrilla campaign, against Malaysia in an attempt to direct public attention away from Indonesia's failing economic policies. However, such a policy is not without risk. It was during the Konfrontasi years that Sukarno was removed and his successor, Suharto, rose to power. Yet Jakarta seems to be running out of ideas of how best to keep national unity in an ethnically diverse population spread over 6,000 of the archipelago's 17,000 islands. The military, while regaining political power, is a mere shadow of its former self under Suharto. In addition, political bickering among religious and self-interest groups runs high, keeping even the central government from becoming a cohesive entity. For Jakarta, turning the popular attention outward, rather than inward, might buy time, but it will do little to solve the inherent economic and social instabilities that threaten Asia's third-largest nation. And the tensions Jakarta stirs with neighboring countries will do little to reassure international lenders and investors of Indonesia's economic attractiveness. ___________________________________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:25:55 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Professor Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I may have to correct you a bit on >the application of the title professor in Filipino >Martial Arts system. Martial Arts and the Academe have >diffences in the system -->there is no standard >system. >It is pointless and illogical to >compare the Academic system and the Martial Artists' >system of acquiring titles. I hope you get my point >sir. In French, *any* teacher is a "proffeseur", advanced degrees or not. And for that matter, we call a whole lot of people "sir" who haven't been knighted. Badger Ottawa ON _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ernest Westbrook" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:51:29 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: the Professor question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net  Ray Terry, wrote:  >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Modern Arnis Questions > > >As to using "Modern Arnis 80", there is no conflict that I can see. Your > >explaination is credible and you are being respectful of your training and > >your late Grand Master, by not going of and "creating" your own "new" > >art under some new title. > >But isn't that what Prof. Presas did? Create his art, a new art, under >the new name of Modern Arnis.?.?. You'er right on the money Ray, that is exactly what the late Professor Presas did, by combining aspects of nearly a dozen arts and specificly Balintawak and Espada y Daga Cruzada, to form his new system of Modern Arnis.  However, the problem at this point in time is not what Professor did or did not do, but is it proper and reasonable for a former student of his to appropriate the usage of the title?  Some Modern Arnis players have a very strong attachment to the late Professor and consider it an affront to his memory for anyone within that particular system to use the title that they so closely associate with the man, himself.  There does seem to be any concerns about the usage of the title outside of Modern Arnis circles.  Or to put this in a slightly different perspective... would some Inayian players become upset if one of the late Suro's students began using that title in conjuction with the term "Inayian 2000" for instance?  >From: "S. H. WEE", wrote: >Subject: [Eskrima] RE: "Proffesor" Title >I have no objection to Martial Art community using the title "Proffesor", >but PLEASE!!!, at least you have to spend as much efforts and time as in the >process of getting an academic professorship. > >Let me see, following the British educational system (Sorry, I am not >familiar with US system); > > Primary Education : 6 years > Secondary Education : 5 Years > Bachelor's Degree : 3 years > Master's Degree : 2 years > Doctorate Degree : 3 to 5 years > Proffesorship : About 5 years teaching in a university and published >enough original works to be accepted  by a panel of experts as a proffesor. > >That means, to be a REAL qualified martial art proffesor, you have to spend >a minimum of 25 years training regularly and have enough in-depth knowledge >and experience to create new highly effective systems which is held in high >regards by fellow GMs. > >Regards, > >S. H. Wee  Simon, you have covered the USA system as well - slight differences do exist, but they are too small to mention regarding this thread.  I have no doubt that Mr. Anderson would meet the martial arts equivalent of the above qualifications, including by the way the publication of a very good book - American Freestyle Karate - in the early 1980's which is still in print, I believe.  The real question is as I stated above in my reply to Ray.  It is really a matter of perception with regard to respect for the memory of the late Professor Presas, as I read the comments of those opposed to any Modern Arnis players using the title. Maybe my good friend, Dan McConnell, could help us out, since he is on the IMAF, Inc, Board of Directors. EBrookTHE Wicked Western Warlock  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ernest Westbrook" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:00:32 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Clumsy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Luis Pellicer [mailto:custom1911@yahoo.com] >Subject: [Eskrima] Clumsy? > >I just read this paragraph in an article on a certain >style of FMA. > >// Of course, there is distinctly Filipino flavor, >seen in the agility required, more suited for >light-bodied Asians. Ever notice how seemingly clumsy, >even a longtime practitioner is, if he is large or >Western? // > >As a "large, clumsy, Westerner", I though it was good >for some giggles. Any comments from other clumsy people? Well, I guess the writer has never seen or worked with PG Tom Bolden or Ama Guro Billy Bryant or Mr. Lamont Norshadow.  They are all "Westerners", but far from being "Clumsy", large bodied, or Asian... damn it, there goes that rythmn thing again... (hint) EBrook, THE Wicked Western Warlock       ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, www.MartialArtsResource.com, www.Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest