Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:38:01 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #50 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Mr. Villabrille... etc... (Mark Harrell) (orlando lacro) 2. Re: Am I in the correct group? (Andrew R Breton) 3. Re: Am I'm in the Correct Group (al sardinas) 4. RE: Am I in the correct group? (Mike Casto) 5. Re: cabales serrada escrima (Dave Sheehy) 6. Velez Balintawk, Rock deep?? (rocky pasiwk) 7. san shou (gordon walker) 8. Re: cabales serrada escrima (Ray Terry) 9. LVNR (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:00:51 -0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: orlando lacro Subject: [Eskrima] Mr. Villabrille... etc... (Mark Harrell) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Guro Mark, Those are three great, timely thought points. I have discovered and share those three same points with you. You are right, I have discovered in reading the archives of this digest it is best not to mention much about Grandmaster Villabrille or Kali. And I have always sided with you and the others about what you have mentioned on the demands of scientific proof being necessary. That was the nature of my emails to begin with. Next time if I ever want to talk about this topic I will have to use alternative examples for conveying my ideas instead of using ideas from the only art I know. Thank you for the kind words regarding my research, or plans for future research. I will be seeing the Tuhan this saturday, so I will make sure to tell him and the KAA that You, Professor Allen, and Professor Ron said Hello. I'm sure our paths will cross again. So until then... Peace be with you, Orlando Lacro PS: This is a great and informative Eskrima-Digest! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Hello Orlando, > >Three points stand out amongst the many important things that I have learned >in my 36 years in the martial arts: > >1) There is no single teacher, method, or style has all of the answers. >2) We must each do our own research. >3) We must be active in our own process of discovery & growth. > >I did not get a chance to read all of your postings with regards to >Mr. Villabrille but starting at or as close to the source as possible is the >best place in my opinion. > >Unfortunately, Mr. Villabrille, the stories, legends, claims, and >even the term Kali are all "hot topics" here on the "Eskrima-Digest". >The fact remains that if you wish to open up the Mr. Villabrille, Kali, >etc... can of worms in this "Eskrima-Digest" forum then be prepared >because based upon my experiences within this excellent forum the audience >here demands scientific proof of the stories, legends, claims, etc... This >is something I happen to agree with. > >I also agree with Mr. Erwin Legaspi's quote: "Its really embarassing I >think, to have people use history as a crutch rather than a catalyst in >enlightenment". > >In fact, I think I am in agreement with most of what you stated in your last >email. Good luck with your research! > >Be sure to say hello to the KAA group from Professor Allen Magdangal, >Professor Ron Hellman, and myself. Despite what many think... We are >all still very active in the art. > >Peace be with you, >Mark Harrell --__--__-- Message: 2 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: warriorswaytx@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:08:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Am I in the correct group? From: Andrew R Breton Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mike, Did you move? As far as other gentleman's question (sorry, I erased the post) on blending FMA and boxing, I don;t know where you live or what resources you have access to, but I would start in two directions: A) Investigate some largo FMA. Garimot and Bahala Na both have two excellent largo systems. B) Guro I's linneage has some material on FMA empty hands. Guro I's old tape series and his new one both have some (his newer tape series has a tape devoted to Panantukan). Rick Faye of the Minnesota Kali group has a book on Panantukan. They all have ideas that might give you some direction. Along the same lines, I can't resist the opportunity to plug a buddy. Guru Harley Elmore is a great guy who introduced me to Sayoc and Bahala Na. He has just put out a tape on Panantukan. I just ordered mine, so I can't review it for you, but knowing Harley it's worth checking out at www.warriorswaytx.com. Andy On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:23:25 -0500 "Mike Casto" writes: > << Since my basic skill is boxing which is more fighting at a > distance, I > have long arms for my height, compared to Kali which I see as > fighting > at an extremely close distance I am a little perplex on how to merge > the > two. >> > > Interesting. Most of the Kali that I've seen favors the medio range > (though > certainly has corto elements). --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:32:26 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Am I'm in the Correct Group Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kevin, I tried to respond to your email off list because I did not want to publicly write a commercial for the Garimot System. However, your email address did not work. The answer to your question regarding merging the arts of boxing and Escrima or Kali (I don't recognize Kali anymore - only kidding) is simple. Just combine your boxing skills with your Kali footwork and body angling and you will be effective regardless of range. The only thing is as my instructor, Gat Puno says, is that you have to learn the hard part first before you can learn the easy part. Send me a working email address if you still want my commercial. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Am I in the correct group? Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:22:33 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net << Hi Mike, Did you move? >> Yup. I live in Louisville, Kentucky now. << Along the same lines, I can't resist the opportunity to plug a buddy. Guru Harley Elmore is a great guy who introduced me to Sayoc and Bahala Na. He has just put out a tape on Panantukan. I just ordered mine, so I can't review it for you, but knowing Harley it's worth checking out at www.warriorswaytx.com. >> The video is excellent. It's good material and well presented. Of course, I wouldn't have expected anything less from Harley :-) --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Dave Sheehy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] cabales serrada escrima To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:53:49 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Yet I have to see any posting regarding the late grandmaster Angel Cabales or > > the tremendous work he initiated bringing the phillipene arts from behind > > closed doors. Please, give credit where credit is due guys and lets take a > > moment to show our respects. I believe it was Dentoy Revillar who was one of the first, if not the first, to teach Serrada to non-filipinos (i.e. "bring the philippine arts from behind closed doors"). Dave --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:17:59 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Velez Balintawk, Rock deep?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net David Eke wrote: > I don't know >whether Rocky will agree, but for me teaching (Velez)>Balintawak can only >be done effectively one on one, not with an instructor standing >in front >of a class calling out strikes or doing patterns. Oh absolutely my friend without a doubt, might I also add that of the few Velez Method of Balintawak parishioners that I have met I was quite pleased, and find them very knowledgeable. Chad Getz Wrote: >Sorry that took up so much space, Ray. Rocky, I had no idea >that you were so deep. With a name like Rocky, I'd expect >you to have the old 1, 2 up your sleeve. Be sure to give me a >hollar when you make it to Hawaii. What me....deep??? What makes you say that??? Just because my mind is a inexplicable whirlwind of never ending nodes of transient thought cascading into an endless labyrinth of unimaginable knowledge second only to that of the creator himself!!!!!!! :-) Nah I am not deep at all!!! Tell you what Chad, any time you need a live in servant for a few weeks, give me a call, I do windows, cook, tend to any unwanted Hawaiian beauties you may not want :-) Keep that between you and I, wife may not be to hip to it!!!!!!!! Anything you want Rocky getz it.....get it!!! sorry I had to just couldn't resist, I really tried :-) Rocky --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] san shou Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I went to the library and picked up this book on san shou kung fu. It is a great book!! Lots and lots of pictures for us victims of the MTV generation. I noticed a lot of stuff that I could incorporate into my throws and ground work. Also think the movements could translate well into stick and knife work with some modifications. As a person who has had a closed mind to chinese styles for a while it has been a real treat to find this stuff. check it out! gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] cabales serrada escrima To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:09:10 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I believe it was Dentoy Revillar who was one of the first, if not the first, > to teach Serrada to non-filipinos (i.e. "bring the philippine arts from > behind closed doors"). As I understand it Dentoy was Angel's first, or one of his first, student(s). We believe that Dentoy worked closely with Angel to help him refine Serrada into what we see today and what was taught to Angel's students starting in 1965. 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