Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:01:47 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #58 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Saavedras; Cacoy Canete (Stephen Lamade) 2. San Miguel Eskrima (James M. Seetoo) 3. (no subject) (sgt evans) 4. WWII an HUKs (Christian Farinetto) 5. AMOK & Sayoc???? (lakanmdb@aol.com) 6. Badger Jones (Musilat@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:50:36 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Saavedras; Cacoy Canete Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re. "IIRC, in speaking with Gm Cacoy about all this, his comment was that prior to WWII Saavedra was the foremost fighter in the DP group." Mark Wiley tells this story about Saavedra's nephew, Doring Saavedra: "In September 1933, an officially sanctioned match between Teodoro "Doring" Saavedra and Pablo Alicante was arranged in Argao (sixty-six kilometers south of Cebu City). By officially sanctioned, I mean that the mayor and other local officials were aware of the bout. Prior to the bout the late Eulogio "Yoling" Canete went to "check out" Pablo Alicante's ability at the request of Lorenso Saavedra. Alicante was a recluse and sustained a living by catching snakes and monkeys, which he later sold. Upon meeting him, Alicante asked Yoling to look for a ripe banana tree; one was found. The story goes that Alicante delivered one strike to the tree, slowly felling it. Teodoro Saavedra, however, refused to back out of the fight, and both fighters signed waivers. Alicante was reputed to possess an anting-anting (amulet) that could make his opponents freeze. This is what happened to Saavedra in the first round, which he ended up losing. In the second round, Saavedra was instructed to knock out a stone that was in Alicante's mouth, which was supposedly his anting-anting. With the assistance of Filemon "Momoy" Canete's oracion (prayer) and his own physical skills, Saavedra was able to do this and go on to win the next two rounds and thus the fight. As a result of this fight, Saavedra became acknowledged as the top eskrimador on the island of Cebu." (Wiley, "Arnis" pp. 120-121) There is not a lot of information published about the Saavedras; I keep hoping that an enterprising Doce Pares teacher will write a book about them, assuming that the opportunity to do research in this area of Filipino martial arts is still viable. With respect to the Saavedras and the martial artists that they influenced, I have updated my biography of Momoy Canete, to include some more information about Filipino martial arts in Cebu post-1900. The URL is http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4fs8i/momoy.htm. I should mention that this additonal information was provided by Ramon Rubia of Doce Pares, who was kind enough to share it with me. Rsmon teaches San Miguel Eskrima in Southern California. The "links" page on my website has links both to Ramon's website and also to GM Casio, who also teaches San Miguel Eskrima in Cebu City, Philippines. [BTW, Chad Getz asks about Tom Bisio in the last Digest; information about Tom is available at the following URL's: www.eskrima.com http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4fs8i/teachers.htm It should be noted that Tom has been teaching the Chinese internal martial arts of Xing Yi and Ba Gua Zhang for the past 15 years or so, as well as practicing Chinese medicine. He is currently writing a book on sports medicine from this perspective.] Two more asides: (1) "Yoling" Canete was also thought to have been strongly influenced by the Saavedras" style of eskrima. (2) I had the pleasure of attending a seminar with "Cacoy" Canete at Don Edwards' school in Livingston, N.J., last summer. When I asked him to demonstate one of his "Eskrido" throws on me, he juiced it at the last minute, slamming me into the mat. I got up with a huge grin on my face. In the changing room later on that afternoon, he asked me, with a twinkle in his eye, how I enjoyed his seminar. "Loved it," I said. Cacoy was 83 years old last summer. He will be 84 on 8/8/03 (thanks, Ray). Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:46:49 -0500 (EST) From: "James M. Seetoo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] San Miguel Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tom Bisio was one of Leo Gaje's top students in Pikiti Tirsia and taught that system for a long while. While in the Philippines Momoy Canete saw Tom fight and invited him to learn his version of Doce Pares or San Miguel Eskrima. With Leo's blessing Tom went to study with Momoy and Tom continued to study with Momoy on several trips to the PI. As time went on, Tom taught other arts such as Kajukenbo and later Hsing-I and Bagua and although teach certain students FMA he did not actively teach San Miguel Eskrima or PT. Following Momoy's passing Tom taught a class of instructors and I was privileged to be part of that class along with Steve Lamade, Ngo Vinh Hoi, Dave Tillett and Marco Pineda. At present the only San Miguel Eskrima groups outside the New York area are in St. Louis and Detroit. Further information on the system can be found at: www.eskrima.com. Regards, James M. Seetoo Instructor San Miguel Eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "sgt evans" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net [Eskrima] Re: San Miguel, Letrada in Hawaii & Amok Seminar > > Are there any San Miguel players in Oahu? Letrada? > > On another note, I attended an AMOK seminar this > weekend with Tom Bisio. The word around is that with > the knife, Sayoc and Amok are what's happenning, so I > was interested, yet sketchy. Sketchy because every > Sunday we spar with alluminum blades, so unless the > material transfered out there, it wan't much too me. > I'll go over it later, but it was definitely a good > seminar. Anyone interested in good knife work, > search out a tribe in your area. > > We have not had the chance to train in AMOK, what is AMOK. Sayoc was good, but youll really love Kadena De Mano. Bill Evans _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:24:36 +0100 (MET) From: Christian Farinetto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] WWII an HUKs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Although forgotten by many the HUK (Hukbalahap acronym for "Hukbo ng Bayan Laban sa Hapon", Tagalog for "People's against Japan") played a major role in the defense of the Philippines during WWII. The Huks or the Hukbalahap, an acronym for the “Hukbo ng Bayan Laban sa Hapon,” (People’s Liberation Army against Japan), was the armed force of the Partido Komunista ng Pilipinas (PKP) or the Communist Party of the Philippines. With no support from the Quezon government and the US forces the PKP under the leadership of Evangelista took to the mountains and established small bases on mount Arayat anf the Calamba swamps (central Luzon). From there they started to harass the advancing Japanese forces. Due to a lack of weaponry the first target of the guerilla was the Philippino Constabulary (PC) the controled by the occupiying Japanese forces. The succesful attacks allowed the rebels to capture weapons, to "convince" PC" members to join their strugle, to show the suffering population that resistance was possible. By the end of 1941 Evangelistas was compared to the philippino" Robin Hood" and many peasants had joined his movement. The japanese Kempe Tai spread terror and commited attrocities against the population in order to capture the guerillas, acts that drove even more philippinos to join the movement which was then the most effective and organised in Luzon. Evangelista and some of his top deputies were captured in 1942 and latter beheaded when they refused to call for the surrender of their units. A few months later the HUK movement was officialy founded in a small base near mount Arayat.... To be followed... sources:US Army, R.Smith, R. Constantino .... Please forgive my poor english. As I have some interest (as an amateur) in Philipino history I also wonder if somebody in the digest has some stories on the Wa -Tchis or chinese-philippinos rebel units... Dr. Christian Farinetto -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: lakanmdb@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:34:25 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] AMOK & Sayoc???? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mabuhay to all As I am sure that both methodologys are sound, lest we forget that they are both rooted deeply in Pekitittirsia. Mr. Sayoc as well as Mr. Bisio as well as Mr. Tom Sotis were students of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje. So when some one says they are whats happening with the knife I have to chuckle, and in my humble opinion if you truly want to know the knife Go to Grand Tuhon himself or Maginoo Tim Waid. Now perhaps I am biased due to the fact that i am a student of Mr. Waids and also Grand Tuhon, but give credit where credit is due. And for those of you have ever participated with Tuon Gaje you know exactly what I am speaking about. Selamet, Mike B PTK SATX --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:41:12 -0500 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Badger Jones Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Badger, I agree, good discussion. The only thing that I would add is that re: the music reference. Jazz and Classical both utilize western harmony (the basic concepts) or even more simply put, the same 12 notes, but have a totally different emphasis in their respective structures. Same basic alphabet and vocabulary, 2 different ways of speaking. Respectfully, Steve Kohn --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest