Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:24:01 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #60 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Dr. Christian Farinetto and the Huks (jay de leon) 2. PIGSAI exhibitions in Luneta (Christian Farinetto) 3. 2003 Modern Arnis International Symposium (Danny Anderson) 4. Re: San Miguel, Amok, & Pekiti Tirsia (Chad Getz) 5. Oklahoma (Marc Denny) 6. Acupuncture for shoulder pain (Stephen Lamade) 7. Re: styles and such (Chad Getz) 8. Re: Re: San Miguel, Amok, & Pekiti Tirsia (Ray Terry) 9. GP Abon & the Huks (jay de leon) 10. Re: Re: styles and such (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jay de leon" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:38:21 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Dr. Christian Farinetto and the Huks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dr. Christian Farinetto : Just a short note to tell you, your English is fine, your heart is in the right place, and for an "amateur" historian, you sure know a lot. I encourage to continue your piece about the Huks, hopefully all the way to contemporary history. As you know, the NPA (New People"s Army) is still active in the places you mentioned--Pampanga, Laguna, as well as Tarlac, Nueva Ecija, even Pangasinan, etc. I hope your piece covers the historical evolution of the Huk and the groups and movements it spawned and influenced, including the NPA and the Communist Party of the Philippines (as a political entity), the student and labor activist groups, like the KM (Kabataan Makabayan) and Alsa, and even the "legitimate" Muslim secessionist groups. I had friends who got swept up in the pre-martial law, anti-Marcos activism and paid the ultimate price. (One example - Edgar Jopson. We went to the same school, Ateneo, rode the same school bus, lived in the same compound where his family owned the grocery store, but he chose to be an activist leader with the "masa" (masses) and was eventually assassinated.) When you are done with your research, where can we read your published work? Jay de Leon _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:46:52 +0100 (MET) From: Christian Farinetto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] PIGSAI exhibitions in Luneta Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, I recently read about the PIGSAI (Philippine Indigenous Games & Sports Savers Association, Inc.). They seem to organize clubs exhibitions of FMA and give lessons in the Luneta Park on sunday afternoon (2-10 p.m.?) . There should also be many displays of indigenous philippino games such as Piko... I just wonder if it takes place every week (may go this sunday...) and if it is interesting... Salamat -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:23:21 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] 2003 Modern Arnis International Symposium Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just received this from Dr. Barber.  It is the final form of the information for the 2003 Modern Arnis International Symposium.  I am highly recommending this event to anyone who trains in Filipino Martial Arts as well as the newcomers.  Perhaps the best analogy I can come up with is would a seminar consisting of all the top students of Anciong Bacon, founder of Balintawak, be interesting?  How about if all the Canete brothers decided to show up at one event and teach classes on their personal interpretations of the family art?  And so on.  This is what this event is going to be.  The majority of the senior practitioners of Modern Arnis will be teaching for 3 days and it's going to be a hot event!  It is the first of it's kind and the price is relatively cheap for something like this.  Read below and make your reservations now. Yours, Prof. Dan Anderson Hello to All, I would like to report the following information for the 2003 Modern Arnis International Symposium, effective today, February 11, 2003. I have revised the Symposium Fee structure downward and the schedule is as follows: February 12 - April 20 - $195 with a deposit of $80 April 21 - June 29 - $235 with a deposit of $95 June 30 - July 9 - $275 with a deposit of $110 At the Door - $295 Single Day Prices: Friday & Sunday - $50; Saturday - $110 (Friday and Sunday are 3 & 4 hours, Saturday is 9 hours). The Symposium instructional schedule will be: Friday, July 11, 6 - 9pm Saturday, July 12, 9am - 6pm Sunday, July 13, 9am - 1pm. There will be three teaching sessions per hour, for a combined total of 51 hours of instruction. There are group rates available in the following configurations: 3 - 5 people 6 - 10 people 11+ people You can contact me for specific information about the group rates for the Symposium. Groups may be formed at your pleasure, and one person will serve as the contact person. Please pay by bank check or money order and make it payable to Dr. Jerome Barber/ Symposium. The Symposium mailing address for the checks and money orders is: Dr. Jerome Barber Suite 230 5999 South Park Avenue Hamburg, NY 14075 The first hotel to give us a group rate is the Holiday Inn, Downtown, in Buffalo, NY. The rate is $99 for a double and $109 for a triple occupancy. The group rate is listed under "Modern Arnis Symposium". The other two hotels will be formally posting their rates for me later this week and I will report them as soon as I have them. Please note that there are only 135 double occupancy rooms available for the Symposium, when all three hotels are ready to accept reservations. The final list of Symposium instructors are: Senior Master, Dan Anderson - Modern Arnis 80 Punong Guro, Tom Bolden - American Modern Arnis Associates Guro, Bruce Chiu - Modern Arnis - Remy Presas Style Senior Master, Bram Frank - Common Sense Self Defense/ SC Datu, Tim Hartman - World Modern Arnis Alliance Datu, Dieter Knuttel - Modern Arnis Germany Guro, Dan McConnell - IMAF, Inc. Guro/Sensei, Dawud Muhammad - Modern Arnis - R. Presas Style Guro, David Ng - IMAF, Inc. Senior Master, Rocky Paswik - Modern Arnis - Cuentada Senior Master, J. Richard Roy - IMAF, Inc. Guro/Sifu, Peter Vargas - American Modern Arnis Associates These instructors cover the full spectrum of the late Professor Remy Presas' teaching career outside of the Philippines from the late 1970's through 2000. Thus we have the art as taught by Professor being repersented from by 7 senior instructors and 5 fully certified instructors. The lowest rank held is Lakan Tatlo - 3rd degree black belt. Combined the instructional staff has a collective history of 205+ years of martial arts experience. I am looking forward to hosting the Symposium because I believe that it is going to be the defining Modern Arnis event of 2003. Jerome Barber, Ed.D.     ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:34:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chad Getz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: San Miguel, Amok, & Pekiti Tirsia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rgarding, San Miguel, sounds interesting. James M. Seetoo, Thanks for the infor on Mr. Bisio. >>As I am sure that both methodologys are sound, lest we forget >>that they are both rooted deeply in Pekitittirsia. Mr. Sayoc as well as Mr. >>Bisio as well as Mr. Tom Sotis were students of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje. So when >>some one says they are whats happening with the knife I have to chuckle, and >>in my humble opinion if you truly want to know the knife Go to Grand Tuhon >>himself or Maginoo Tim Waid. Now perhaps I am biased due to the fact that i >>am a student of Mr. Waids and also Grand Tuhon, but give credit where credit >>is due. And for those of you have ever participated with Tuon Gaje you know >>exactly what I am speaking about. >>Selamet, Mike B PTK SATX Mike, thank you. Tom Sotis comes in and gives credit where credit is due. You can definetly see the PT influence, I think he also gives credit on the web site http://www.knifefighting.com . I haven't had the pleasure of training with Tuhon Sayoc or his group, YET, but I will make it. As well, I converse with Grand Tuhon Gaje(BTW, has anyone ever seen him wearing the old fullcontacthi t-shirt? wondering if he wears it...) but have never had the pleasures again to train with him. Again, one day, I will. Tom just teaches the same material with his own perception. I enjoyed it, and I thought maybe other people would also. Also, it is possible that someone can train in a system for years and not be able to present and do it. Tom is not that case. He teaches it in a an easy to understand manner(some concepts were broken down to simplicity along similar lines that I have played with principles of the stick as well), and can get in there, knife spar as well, and make it happen under real time pressure. Granted all the psychological differences of a real blade and all that, Tom has the right actions and is my senior when it comes to the blade, not because of rank or time but because he sparred and put up. Again, Tom is quick to point out where he learned, but Tom desrves his credit as well, IMO. It's also easier to find an Amok tribe, where Tom will usually visit once every 4 months, or so, than to fly and train with the warriors in Negros. Occ. I know I will enjoy training with G.Tuhon Gaje, as well, but till I get there. Or untill Grand Tuhon decides to come to Hawaii on vacation(he can stay with me, if he wants...;) ) Psst...I've been asking Andy(in Hawaii) from PTK to work out with me and show me some. The version that I use of PT in fighting is whatever I have picked up from watching Top Dog, and Leo Gaje's Jr. Warriors of the Negros tape. I definetly want to see what I can work with on the rest of the material. No doubt PTK and Grand Tuhon Gaje is the source, brother, no disrespect meant. ~Chad W. Getz Stickfighting Hawaii --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:43:36 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Oklahoma Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Rob: > From: "rob zerby" > Cc: butch_brock@yahoo.com > Subject: [Eskrima] Any schools in OK City? > > I have a friend who is very new to FMA, and he recently moved to Oklahoma City. > If anyone has any suggestions/recommendations on a place for him to train, I would be very appreciative. > Thanks! > > -rob z > oakland eskrima club I've forwarded this to one of our DBMA Association members in the area. He is "abroad" at the moment, and may be very, very busy shortly, but when he gets back I'm sure he'll be in touch. Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:17:35 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Acupuncture for shoulder pain Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Acupuncture can be very effective for shoulder pain - but it depends on the acupuncturist. Vince Black in Tucson, AZ would be my first choice for martial arts injuries - even if I had to travel from California. For more information: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4fs8i/vince_black.htm Best, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima Association _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chad Getz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: styles and such Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Crafty wrote: >> As has been noted by us many times before, Tom Bisio was Eric "Top Dog" >>Knaus's first teacher (then GT Leo Gaje) in Pekiti Tirsia. Eric always >>speaks very highly of him, as has everyone I have ever heard speak of him. Which is why I ask. I've known for some time of the above, and since Eric speaks so highly, and since Tome has become a San Miguel instructor, I'm wondering about his movements? How does his being such a PT technician blend/merge with the San Miguel? Would a San Miguel instructor have to teach a "San Miguel" program/material? What happened to Tom's PT? Does his personal blend involve both? Does he seperate systems when he teaches? I think these are important questions that relate to how we percieve our "schools" and systems/styles, etc. For example, I help teach at my grandfathers class on Saturday. I have to teach his "material", but when it's time to let loose and rip, I show different stuff. My "different" stuff came from his "material", but still, now it's mine, along with all the influence that Dog Brothers, and any fighter that gives me trouble when we fight, has on my style. If our "styles" don't grow, then we aren't "thinking" about them. This isn't meant as a style vs style debate, but I was wondering what kind of personal struggles or insights are noted by others here on the digest. For example, the 80Modern Arnis(Sorry if I got that wrong), is a different art than Presas Modern Arnis, but it still came from the source, but now has Dan's(sorry, I think it was Dan's thing, right) perception as the twist. Can I teach my teachers style, with my own twist and call it by his name? Can I teach his style with his material and still have my own "style"? Personally, I think no, I can't "teach" my instructors style as a system because I utilize only parts of what he taught to me, and also added parts which he doesn't use or like. However, I am doing his "style", so to speak. Or am I, technically not. Actually it doesn't matter much to me, as lond as it's effective, but the gremlins got my keyboard. Just pondering... Actually, ORIGINALLY, I was just curious at the end product of what Tom Bisio was doing, because Eric spoke so highly of him, and since he had changed "styles", I was wondering where his path has taken him...but let it become what it has... Keep Swinging, Chad W. Getz Stickfighting Hawaii --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: San Miguel, Amok, & Pekiti Tirsia To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:29:07 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On the topic of credit, I understand that GT Gaje studied under Remy and also under one of Cacoy's senior Doce Pares students. Obviously, I wasn't there so I don't know for sure. Seems reasonable since those were probably two of the best sources of instruction for a young eskrimador when he was coming up. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jay de leon" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:36:33 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] GP Abon & the Huks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net GP Abon wrote, "...but President Ramon Magsaysay was killed in Planes, planted bomb going back to Manila." In a previous post, I mentioned my brush with political greatness in the form of Pres. Magsaysay (RM), when I was a snot-nosed fifth grader. One night of the week, RM had a family night at Malacanang Palace for family members of his Cabinet. Usually, he served snacks and had a private movie screening. This was before the days of VCR's and Blockbuster, so he actually had a movie projector with a live projectionist. Several times, I was a guest of Jose "Jing" Hernandez, my best friend then and a classmate. His father was the Secretary of Education, who perished with RM in the plane crash. With regard to the crash, the plane slammed against a mountainside; I believe it was Mt. Pinatubo. If memory serves me right, all perished except for a lone survivor, Nestor Mata, a newspaperman. Of course there were the usually rumors of sabotage, explosions, etc. But again, as far as I can remember, nothing came out of them. GP Abon, could you elaborate on what the findings or suspicions were about any bomb? By the way, your personal observations regarding the Huk agree with my historical understanding, including the nexus to RM. Filipinos cannot be reminded enough that the origins of the Huk movement were noble, patriotic and heroic. Jay de Leon _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: styles and such To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:11:03 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Can I teach my teachers style, with my own twist and call it by his name? > Can I teach his style with his material and still have my own "style"? > Personally, I think no, I can't "teach" my instructors style as a system > because I utilize only parts of what he taught to me, and also added parts > which he doesn't use or like. However, I am doing his "style", so to speak. > Or am I, technically not. Chad, I too went thru this thought process after Suro Inay passed away. If I were to teach Inayan it must be -exactly- as he taught it. That wasn't what I was planning on doing, even tho what I teach is heavily influenced by him and his teachings. So, as previously announced here, I came up with my own style, Sudlud, which is significantly comprised of Inayan, but also has influences from Doce Pares, Hapkido and other relevant arts. Yet the name Sudlud is Inayan in origin and is well known to Inayans. This way I do the best I am able to carry on his name and his art and my students know from exactly where each and every piece of material originated. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest