Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 03:01:48 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #73 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hojutsu/guns thread (debergerac) 2. Re: favorite self defense weapons (Todd Ellner) 3. Self defense in the Great White North (Michael Koblic) 4. Weapons I carry (NAVARRO FULBERT) 5. Re: Speed drills (debergerac) 6. Favorite Weapon (Seraksatu@aol.com) 7. Re: weapongs I carry (Chad Getz) 8. Bobster and Eke's posts (jose saguisabal) 9. RE: Your Favourite Self-defense Weapons (S. H. WEE) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:11:22 -0800 (PST) From: debergerac To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hojutsu/guns thread Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Proof perhaps that there are always exceptions to the rule. I would hazard a guess that many if not most of FMA doesn't train with firearms; I've never seen it on a logo for ex. I do know that given tha age of many of the senior filipino practitioners that they would have had some firearms training a la Leo Giron. I have noticed a trend towards what may be called modern martialdom. but certainly not FMA or even MA and MOST certainly not (wu)gong fu. The trend is policemen and women crosstraining in FMA. Thusly you get the "policedo" or paramilitary orgs who mainly study modern arnis or PT. Some like comtech even try to incorporate spanish rapier techniques in their bowie knife fighting a la Gerard Thibault and his Spanish (mysterious Circle) I am sure that most of this org are not unfamiliar with small arms of various kinds. Finally for the gentleman who asked me to sign my post; I'd simply forgotten. :-) Anthony Park Guro, CSE "A mind is a terrible thing to waste...unless its your opponents'" "Martial Arts has ALWAYS been for health reasons...your own" Eric Luo De Xiu > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003, 12:14 PM > To: Eskrima > Subject: [Eskrima] Hojutsu > > This is old news and not FMA related, but FWIW... > > In the Japanese bujutsu tradition, Hojutsu was the study of firearms usage: > > "Hojutsu (Firearms) > > There were a number of firearms in use. Ohzutsu a wooden mortar that > could be carried in a man's arms, the basic shape would be formed from > wood and the laminated with many layers of paper in order to give it > sufficient strength. Sodezutsu or sodeteppo sometimes refereed to as > 'sleeve guns' were small hand held cannons, normally manufactured from a > hollow length of bamboo reinforced with layers of glued paper. The is > also evidence that suggests the use of bronze pistols called > futokoro-teppo. One speciality developed by the Shimazu clan of Satsuma, > involved the use of highly trained sharpshooters. This technique > sutekamari ni jitsu ('techniques of lying down and being abandoned') > involved leaving the sharpshooters behind as the army retreated in the > hope that they could pick of the enemy leaders using Tanegashima - long > matchlock rifle." > > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:18:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: favorite self defense weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A man should always have a new pair of wool socks and twenty dollars in quarters. No matter what happens you'll have dry feet and cab fare. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:25:46 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Self defense in the Great White North Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "As I live in "The Great White North"; Canada for those of you not familiar with comedy of "Bob and Doug Mackenzie", we are very limited on "carry" items. Almost everything is questionable in the eyes of the law, but definitely, no guns or pepper spray, at least here in the Province of Ontario." Living on the other end of the GWN (not so white right now and not as far north as I used to be) I *never* carry weapons! Just tools...Like Cold Steel entrenching tool and a mag lite (a big one to give me more light!) in the car. You gotta be able to dig yourself out of a snowdrift! On me? Well, just more tools. We do not believe in weapons up here. At home? Just a few collector's items and antiques. Oh yes, and more tools, officer... Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:27:45 -0800 (PST) From: NAVARRO FULBERT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Weapons I carry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings!!! Everyone has his own favorite weapon but the best weapon logically is yourself. Think about it, your swords, sticks, knives, guns, etc. are useless if you don't have yourself. As a weapon to defend myself, I make use of nature. Although I carry a medium sized solid brass padlock to defend myself (just in case nature is not that available...hehehehe!)... Here's a tip, a medium sized solid brass padlock plus an old sock makes a deadly weapon. Navarro, Fulbert A. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:27:06 -0800 (PST) From: debergerac To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Speed drills Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sounds a bit like practicing Tourrette's syndrome(pun intended):-) My favorite drills involve going internally and finding out the minimum musculature necessary to say straight blast or something. Then I slowly begin firing those muscls in the proper sequence. After a time it becomes automatic and faster. Soon...combined with the appropriate sectoring theory, one just doesn't see it coming. For the record, I don't "straight blast" like they do it nowadays. its too easy to sector off. Bruce used to LEAD with it. Now its like a heavy handed series of crosses. I prefer the palm techniques. 8 mother palms is a great qigong exercise, done correctly with the changes you get 64 palms, qin na, but mostly a healthy body as well as a fit one. Very rarely does one apply these kinds of ideas to eskrima. Bernie Langan is one such fellow and its no surprise that he's good. But then he also studies with Sonny Umpad. I learned it and applied it to Serrada... I found it necessary because one cannot attain the speed seen in Gm Angel's demos without it. He sort of intuitively figured it out I guess. In all the clips of FMA I've seen...hundreds... I have yet to see faster. I wish I was that fast Finally meditation is a great drill for speed and people highly underestimate it. Anthony Park Guro, CSE > -----Original Message----- > From: SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com [mailto:SEXTONR003@hawaii.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003, 1:06 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Speed drills > > One drill or explanation of how to move fast I learned from Erle Montaigue. A > defensive move should be like a hell of a sneeze. I practice by just letting > my arms fly out in any direction when I sneeze (not in public). Arms must be > relaxed as a relaxed muscle goes faster than a tense one. Once you get it > down, practice without sneezing. You have to be careful though; I'm > mischievous and have made "quick movements" at work and while walking down the > street with friends and some of them have been so surprised that they almost > wet their pants! > > Randall Sexton > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:03:11 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Favorite Weapon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Favorite Weapon to Carry Colt A1911 - 230 Grain Most shooters use the A1911 Springfield is one of the firms that still produce the A1911 there also may be others too. Still have my colt that still has the flavor Pak Vic --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Chad Getz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: weapongs I carry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What I carry: Walking aorund my building(I manage an apartment complex, and previosly managed state housing): A stick In my car: A stick In my truck: A stick in the bed and one in the cab In my living room: Literally any one of the 15 you can get from 3 of the corners...oh plus the one under the chair. Or any of the few swords, barong, Kris, or 5lb. Kukri In my bathroom: Short stick(14 inches), and another stick Hallway: about 4 sticks Bedroom: about 12 sticks and a machete If it's late and I don't want to carry a stick(but I usually do and will), I'll carry a Benchmade or Cold Steel Voyager. I also carry my traning wood dagger on me at times. I used to carry a @#$%load of knives before(5 or 6 sometimes), but I don't want to kill anyone, I'd rather use my stick. For those of you that might not remember, some years back, a TKD instructor kicked one of a gang of 5 that was hassling him, and the kid hit his head on the curb and died. TKD guy served time, I think. Sucks, but its reality. I have no problem using a knife, but only if I have to. And I think that my stickfighting training is hard enough that hopefully can handle matters without fatal results. Keep Swinging, Chad W. Getz Stickfighting Hawaii --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day --__--__-- Message: 8 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:44:53 -0800 From: "jose saguisabal" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [Eskrima] Bobster and Eke's posts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good day, all: Bobster's comments today about David Eke's posts got me curious about what he said, so I went back and re-read his post, which was: "Things have changed. Today, the simple reality (even on the list) is that you will not get a polite discussion on variations of style. The fact is, there's too much at stake. Over the past 10 years the FMA has gone down the same track as other more conventional MA's. People are trying to make money out of things. Debunk the myths and bullshit of styles and people loose money. " I agree wholeheartedly with the first two sentences, and I would like to add that differing views is how the FMA came about. Ours is not a culture of peace (speaking of the martial arts), and challenges are an expected behaviour of advanced students and young instructors. When two fighters disagree about the effectiveness of a technique, there is only one way to see which works. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as it makes for a style's proponents to stay on their toes. In fact, boasting is quite common. Except in the Philippine culture one cannot hide behind titles, tough talk ("fighting to the death", "street vs. competition" and "blade vs. stick") and their computers. I have noticed that the loudest ones here in the West do not participate in competitions and appear in the media the most. We also tend to lend the most (and the most unquestioning) credibility to those we see in the media the most. Respectability seems to go hand-in-hand with the number of tapes and semina rs you sell. The sad fact is, for our "leading authorities" in the FMA scene, there really is "too much at stake". Re: Kali. Can't admit that there is no historic Kali in the Philippines. Can't admit it's been used for only the last 20 years....got tapes to sell, got seminars to promote... "Over the past 10 years the FMA has gone down the same track as other more conventional MA's. People are trying to make money out of things. Debunk the myths and bullshit of styles and people loose money. " I don't see too much wrong with this. The growth with the Filipino arts were effected by the obscurity of their instructors, and the lack of flashiness we see in the movies. There was difficulty in marketing the art--not necessarily to the masses, but simply to enough students to keep the rent paid. The history of FMAs don't read like a book on Shaolin monks or kung fu heroes. The way I see it, we needed someone to tell the story of our history. And whose history is NOT ridden with embellishments? I think the problem comes when the leaders in the FMA community go along with the myths, and even perpetuate them, and the false information affects those who remained faithful to the truth. I thought it was sad I heard an old manong with a lot of good martial arts and experience say to my instructor, "You know, you are going to have to adopt that history and those terms if you want to keep a school..." Heard this, knowing that Filipino teachers are doing it already in the Philippines . It's sad that most of the lesser known FMA teachers with the best information have the hardest time keeping the lights on, while the ones with the least experience and the best marketing are spreading their brand of FMA. And their version of our history. Indeed, if you debunk the myths, money will be lost. This is why you have to suppress the truth. Speaking of "supressing the truth", I have submitted articles on FMAs to the magazines several times, only to have them rejected. The reason? Too controversial. May offend the general FMA community. Do you think he meant the Advisory staff, or the advertisers? Believe me, there was nothing "offensive" about my articles, just the statements that "arts" like Panantukan, Kino Mutai, and Kali do not exist in the Philippines. Made me wish that I was good enough to produce videos to advertise.....and get my article seen... Jay _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "S. H. WEE" To: Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:12:32 +0800 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Your Favourite Self-defense Weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, I love guns!! Unfortunately, it is next to impossible in my part of the world to obtain a legitimate gun in my part of the world. An illegal gun carries death penalty. S. H. Wee > Did you really think this 'firearms enthusiast' could let that one slip > by w/o a comment? > > Martial: inclined or disposed to war, warlike, brave; pertaining to or > appropriate for war; characteristic of or befitting a warrior; pertaining > to or connected with the army or navy. > > And guns are not related to martial arts??? :) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest