Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:31:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #78 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Too many Toms (Chad Getz) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:21:21 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Self-defense Flashlight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The C-cell sized MagLite's diameter is about the same as the average rattan stick. It also has a very good weight to it. The 6 cell is a good length... http://www.maglite.com/product.asp?psc=6CCELL K. Williams --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:45:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Francis Serrano" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Suggestions for a Folding Knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Fellow Practicioners, With the recent postings about weapons that I carry... I was wondering if I can pose this question to the community. I am looking for a new folding knife. I have carryone one before that I bought from this MOM & POP store in La Bufadora, Mexico and some balisongs but that folding knife recently broke so I am now in the market for a new one. With almost everyone who commented on "Favorite Self Defense Weapon" always carry a knife, one for many reasons from a tool to a means to defend one self. Which one would you all suggest? I do have preferences such as Straight Blade, thumb push, and thumb release. As far as color, i prefer stainless steal or black nothing fancy. I am looking at price as a factor but mostly I want to get most for my money. Now I am not sure as well but I also live in So. Calif if there are laws that I do not know about and if there is where can I find those exact laws that would be great, but if there is anyone that can help me decide on my next knife I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Gumagalang, Francis S. fbserr@earthling.net [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/gif] --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:51:26 -0500 (EST) From: "James M. Seetoo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] San Miguel Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding Steve Drape's post, it's always good to hear from someone else practicing Momoy's art. However, I must respectfully disagree with Steve in one respect. Regarding other groups, we acknowledge others of Momoy's lineage as Doce Pares practitioners but not San Miguel Eskrima. As Tom explained to us, Momoy was considering changing the name and breaking away from Doce Pares because he did not fully agree with the direction the art was taking. He did not, however break away from the Doce Pares association. Tom was tasked by Momoy to bring his art to the United States and as such, we use the name San Miguel Eskrima to distinguish Momoy's art as taught to Tom Bisio and as such, while we fully respect the various branches of Doce Pares we do not use the name and respectfully request that others not use San Miguel Eskrima. Again, no disrespect meant to any others who are of Momoy's lineage and I make no claim to speak for Tom however, I am relaying the gist of Tom's instructions to my class of instructors concerning the structure of San Miguel Eskrima in the US. The shorter form that Steve mentions in his post is what we call the "old San Miguel form" and is in many ways a better form for transitioning to fighting. The long form, in my opinion is great for teaching footwork and body mechanics. Best, James Seetoo Instructor, San Miguel Eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "joseph de condappa" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MILF murders 14, including 5 children Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:40:36 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I actually was planning to book a flight to Cebu today and do not want to overreact but what exactly is the situation in the Philippines with regard to risk and would it be expected to get worse should/when war breaks out in Iraq. It is hard to filter out from the media how serious, or not as the case may be, safety as an issue is. Regards, Joseph Makes me thankful that visayan eskrima is alive and well here...wouldn't want to go there and learn it...might have to forget about being pacifist for awhile if i did. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 5 From: torben Rakic To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:05:26 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Kerambit Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I usually just lurk, but try http://www.keenedgeknives.bizland.com/Kerambit.html for a decent priced Kerambit. It'll set U back 75$ and there is a waiting list. If U're looking for a folding Kerambit and think 450$ for a Emerson is a bit much, try http://www.wowinc.com/boss-8.htm (it's a Liong Mah design in 420SS but it's dirt cheap at 24,95$). BOSS scheduled it for March. Hope it helps. Torben Modern Arnis Copenhagen [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of torben Rakic.vcf] --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:35:55 -0800 From: T David Reyes To: Subject: [Eskrima] Bullets, bolos & more Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From todays Stockton Record- http://www.recordnet.com/daily/lifestyle/articles/022103-l-1.php Fighting spirit Film salutes Filipino-American soldiers of WWII By Howard Lachtman Record Staff Writer Published Friday, February 21, 2003 Stocktonian Tony Somera had long heard stories from Leo Giron about secret wartime missions in the Philippines. It wasn't until Somera saw a documentary film, "An Untold Triumph," that he learned just what "Uncle Leo" and other Filipino-American soldiers did during the 1944 invasion of the Philippines. Their mission, buried in classified military archives, was kept alive in the memories of men such as Giron and fellow Stocktonian Toribio Rosal. Now the secret is out. The University of the Pacific hosts two Saturday screenings of "An Untold Triumph," a salute to the Army's 1st and 2nd Filipino Infantry Regiments. Eight hundred men from this fighting force, including Giron and Rosal, were picked by Gen. Douglas MacArthur to be his eyes and ears behind Japanese lines. They formed the secret vanguard of the American invasion. For Somera, a second-generation Filipino-American, and for others in the community, "An Untold Triumph" restores a missing piece of Filipino history and pride. Giron, who died in May at age 90, and Rosal, who died in July at 79, both appear in the film, adding to the personal and emotional stories told by men who were there. "It was an emotional experience for me, too," Somera said, given his closeness to Giron and his relief that the untold story of the regiments has at last been told. Beyond a story of war, the film shows how Filipino fighting men reversed a pattern of discrimination and bigotry that stripped them and other nationals of rights in the 1930s and led to incidents such as that shown in a Record headline of the era: "Filipino club bombed." Granted the privilege of military service by FDR, many Filipinos also received citizenship while in uniform. ::: Advertisement ::: "When you think about all the sacrifices they made to make our lives better, those men are the unsung heroes," Somera said. Stocktonian Elena Mangahas looks forward to seeing the film and learning more about the valor of cousins and uncles who served in the 2nd Infantry Regiment. "It's going to bring me goose bumps," she said. "We heard many stories, but most of the men were a faceless group of Filipinos. Until you put the faces to it and really see the whole drama, you can't recognize their valor and achievement. This film opens the book." Many soldiers came from the Stockton-San Joaquin area and the greater Valley, making the film's local debut another cause for celebration by the Filipino community. In the film, Giron recalls MacArthur praising him as "his boy," asking him to "go find out what the Japanese are doing" and telling him "a shining bar" (officer's rank) might be in his future. "What shining bar?" Giron asks. "My mind was on surviving." The film follows Giron and others from training to a variety of covert operations, combats and prison camp raids. It's also careful to distinguish American fighting men from guerrillas whom they supplied and reinforced. Americans who went undercover were able to blend in with the native population and most spoke native dialects. The unknown history surprises people "at both ends of the Pacific," said filmmaker Noel "Sonny" Izon, who appears at UOP tomorrow to lead a filmmaking workshop and roundtable historical discussion. "When we showed the film in Washington, the Philippine ambassador said he had no idea that Filipinos from the United States had come to the aid of their brothers in arms in the Philippines," Izon said. That's a common reaction, he added, and one of the reasons he made the film. Another was to honor the memory of men such as Giron and Rosal. "Leo represented the radio and espionage service, while Toribio was a member of a team sent to mop up, re-establish order and root out collaborators," Izon said. Rosal's is the last voice heard in the film, recalling how he gave thanks to God when his troop transport came within sight of the Golden Gate Bridge. "It was a beautiful sight," Rosal said. "I never thought I'd see that bridge again. It meant we were home." "An Untold Triumph," slated for spring film festival screenings in San Francisco and Los Angeles, took Izon eight years to fund, produce and present. It debuted at the Hawaii International Film Festival in November and won the audience award. "Despite the fact that (pre-war) America wasn't friendly to them, they believed in democracy and freedom, and were willing to die for it," Izon said of Filipino soldiers whose devotion to "the idea of America" kept his film on track. "They helped secure independence for their beloved Philippine homeland, but most important, this is the story of men who secured their rights as Americans by serving their country." --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Johnaleen" To: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:11:15 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re:Guro Ramon Rubia "The Secrets San Miguel Eskrima" San Diego, March 22ed 2003 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Ramon Rubia " The Secrets San Miguel Eskrima " Doce Pares International, So. Calif Chapter Bio Guro Ramon: http://www.fate-organization.com/Bios/masters%20Bios/rubia.html Hosted by: Backyard Fitness Center 7250 Convoy Ct, San Diego Ca, 92111 1-858-874-8820 www.backyardfitness.com Date: March 22ed 2003 Time: 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Price Before the event: $40.00 Per Person Note: (Pre- paid Event Participants receive a free Day pass to Backyard Fitness Center) This pass pays for any one class of the list of 44 organized classes hosted per week, by Backyard Fitness Center and use of the gym on the day the class is taken. This Pass holds a non-transferable value of $15.00. Payment must be received before the day of the event for this offer to apply. At the Door Price: $45.00 Per Person Viewing: $10.00 Per Person For Early, booking and Pre-Payment Please contact Backyard Fitness Center Forms of payment Accepted: Check, Money order, Credit card, Cash (cash payments have to be made in person) San Miguel Eskrima: San Miguel Eskrima was founded by the late GM Filemon "Momoy" Canete in Cebu, Philippines. GM Filemon "Momoy" Canete is an original founding father of the Doce Pares Club when it was established in 1932 as one of the first Eskrima Organization in Cebu, Philippines. San Miguel Eskrima is the older method of Doce Pares stressing the use of the blade. Power is emphasized by focusing on proper body mechanics. The use of the Stick and Dagger (Espada y Daga/Punta y Daga) is heavily emphasized. The following are the components of weapons based training are found in San Miguel Eskrima: DOS ARMAS/DOUBLE STICKS/DUHA OLISI STICK AND DAGGER/OLISI BARAW/ESPADA Y DAGA--PUNTA Y DAGA SINGLE STICK/SOLO BASTON(GAROTTE)/USA OLISI ANANANGKIL/GAHAB---LONG STICK DAGA/DAGGER/BARAW LATIGO--BULLWHIP BANGKAW--SPEAR THROWING KNIFE CADENA/CHAIN --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:14:15 -0500 (EST) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Muay Thai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Puzzled also, Fma being more concepts based should cover a majority of "styles" of fighting. The movements of any style, Ive found, show up naturally in the flow of a kali workout. Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:16:49 -0500 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA/Thai link Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Truly Puzzled, If you've been introduced to the FMA/Thai connection through Dan Inosanto or his associates, whick I'm fairly sure you have, you've been taught to mix the two arts pretty early on in your training. But to someone who wasn't taught the 2 arts concurrently, I could see how the mindsets might not seem to mesh in an immediately obvious way. If you take the appearence of these two arts too literally, they might not appear to be compimentary at all. I certainly see it, but others may not. I mean Thai, on the surface, seems pretty brutal, while FMA can appear very dance-like to the casual observer. The reality is that in the context of the FMAs, Thai makes for a great striking foundation. Some folks just need a little more guidance to make sense of the two different heads each art teaches. Best, Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chad Getz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Too many Toms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'd like to make a correction to something I posted around Feb 10th. Late, I know, but I just found out about it. In talking about AMOK and Tom Sotis, I may have accidentally typed Tom Bisio. Correction, Tom SOTIS did the Amok seminar here in Hawaii. The typo might have happened due to I had questions about both Toms in the same post. My bad, sorry. I haven't met Tom Bisio, though I'd sure like to if he ever makes it to Hawaii. Take Care and Keep Swinging, Chad W. Getz --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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