Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:39:01 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #83 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Looking for uniforms (meijin) 2. Re: Suggestions for a folding knife (Ernest Westbrook) 3. Philippine Flag (Derek Good) 4. Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense (Bert Saenen) 5. Re: Philippine Flag (Ray Terry) 6. Balintawak Training (ginom@info.com.ph) 7. Re: Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense (Leo Daher) 9. Re: Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense (debergerac) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "meijin" To: Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:18:46 -0600 Organization: Budo Geek Productions Subject: [Eskrima] Looking for uniforms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can anyone point me to someone who sells uniforms for FMA? Thanks! David ======================================================================== "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him." ----Mark Twain --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Ernest Westbrook" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:10:06 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Suggestions for a folding knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net  "Francis Serrano" wrote:  >Subject: [Eskrima] Suggestions for a Folding Knife > >Dear Fellow Practicioners, > >With the recent postings about weapons that I carry... I was >wondering if I can pose this question to the community. > >I am looking for a new folding knife. I have carryone one before >that I bought from this MOM & POP store in La Bufadora, >Mexico and some balisongs but that folding knife recently broke >so I am now in the market for a new one. With almost everyone >who commented on "Favorite Self Defense Weapon" always carry >a knife, one for many reasons from a tool to a means to defend >one self. Which one would you all suggest? I do have preferences >such as Straight Blade, thumb push, and thumb release. As far as >color, i prefer stainless steal or black nothing fancy. I am looking >at price as a factor but mostly I want to get most for my money. >Now I am not sure as well but I also live in So. Calif if there are >laws that I do not know about and if there is where can I find those >exact laws that would be great, but if there is anyone that can help >me decide on my next knife I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.  My suggestion is the new Gunting Knife designed by Bram Frank and manufactered by Spyderco.  The blade is a tad short - 3inches - but the unique opening feature - called, kinetic opening - allows you to open the blade against almost any object, including a person.  There is also the standard "spyderco thumb hole" for opening.  There are also areas of the knife that can be used for blunt instrument striking ans other areas for joint locking.  This is a very versatile folding knife with very good self defense potential that allows for an escalation of force as necessary.  This aspect is missing with most folding and fixed blade knives. The knife is expensive in relation to some others, but I have found sources for as low as $135 and as high as $185, so shopping around is necessary.  I had he opportunity to work out with Bram Frank on two occassions and that really helped me to understand the wider applications of the knife.  Getting some instruction and the video helps quite a bit.  You can  e-mail Mr. Frank at arnisman@aol.com and ask if he has a certified instructor in your area.  I would also advise you to consider buying the training drone for practice purposes.  The live blade is extremely sharp and not sommmething to train with. As for the law, I always recommend coonsulting with a good, local criminal lawyer.  That is the best way to get the best information about what the local police and DA are doing with regard to knife carry and usage for self defense.  Good luck. EBrook THE Wicked Western Warlock ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:25:33 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Good To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Philippine Flag Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, After reading that when our flag is upside down with the red portion on top, it means we're in a state of war. I then noticed that the Moro Weapons plaque has the red on the right side so that when you turn it to the left it is on top. Is this a production flaw or would it symbolize the Moros' struggles with the Spaniards? Best, Paolo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:21:04 +0100 From: Bert Saenen To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, What's your opinion on traditional Filipino blade designs (kris, various bolo forms, barong, kampilan etc.) as a modern weapon for self-defense? I think that especially the barong could be a formidable close quarters self defense weapon: - it's design gives it good chopping power (needed to make those limb destruction techniques work) - at about 15 inch blade length it has more reach than a knife but it is still compact enough to wield it in confined spaces - suitable for both cutting and thrusting The barong is probably too big to carry it comfortably. However, I think it could serve a purpose in the car, in the house or as a tool (preparing wood, camping knife, etc.). What do you think about those traditional Filipino blade designs. Do you think they are still a good choice for personal combat or do you think they are surpassed by other traditional (Japanese, Western, ...) or more modern designs? Why? I would appreciate to hear your ideas and opinions. Regards, Bert Saenen --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Philippine Flag To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:29:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > After reading that when our flag is upside down with > the red portion on top, it means we're in a state of > war. I then noticed that the Moro Weapons plaque has > the red on the right side so that when you turn it to > the left it is on top. > > Is this a production flaw or would it symbolize the > Moros' struggles with the Spaniards? Perhaps just a flaw. FWIW, I have two of those plaques. One is fairly old, one is newer. Neither of them have an RP flag on them. The newer one was a circular logo fashioned after the RP flag, but neither the red nor the blue is on top. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:15:26 +0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: ginom@info.com.ph Subject: [Eskrima] Balintawak Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Mr. de Matos: This will depend on where you are willing to go, and of course how much time you plan to spend. If you plan to go to Cebu, then you will have no trouble finding good instruction. Teovel comes to mind, but is not the only Balintawak you can get there. In case you do go by Manila, I invite you to check out Bobby Tabimina's class. As I mentioned before, as far as I know he does not accept students at this time because his current number of students is at the point where he feels quality will suffer if he takes on more. But he welcomes people who want to see a class, and he can certainly point you to the right people there in Cebu, having been students of Anciong, Teofilo Velez, Villasin, etc. He is still in contact with most of them and will be happy to give you the numbers of Teovel, etc. You can read a little about Bobby from a tribute website by one of his students at http://balintawak.s5.com/home.html as well as in an article about the history of Balintawak written by NECOPA under GM Tony Veeck of Mongcal's Balintawak at http://www.necopa.de/Style/History/Balintawak/balintawak.html If seeing one of his classes interests you, contact me privately by email when you get to Manila so I can give you Bobby's cell phone number. Regards, Gino >Message: 5 >From: "Manuel De Matos" >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:35:30 +0800 >Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Please help. > >My name is Manuel De Matos from Western Autralia. >Me and two friends are thinking of going to the Philipines in March to meet >people and train in the art of Balintawak Eskrima. >We have done a little training with Greg Henderson but opportunity has >presented itself for us to go the the Philipines. >If anyone has details or contacts that they can help us with it would be >gratly appreciated. We are looking for an authentic instructor, camp or >school that will enhance our frame of mind, our physical co-ordination, and >our understanding of this unique martial art. > >Thank you very much, > >Manuel De Matos > >prophet2003@hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:35:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The barong is probably too big to carry it comfortably. However, I think it > could serve a purpose in the car, in the house or as a tool (preparing wood, > camping knife, etc.). > > What do you think about those traditional Filipino blade designs. Do you > think they are still a good choice for personal combat or do you think they > are surpassed by other traditional (Japanese, Western, ...) or more modern > designs? Why? I would appreciate to hear your ideas and opinions. A barong would be a pain for everyday carry, but aside from a Randall #1-7" (w/Black Micarta Commando handle) little feels as comfortable in the hand as a good barong. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Leo Daher" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:49:04 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Does anyone have any experience with the barongs sold by Kris Cutlery? IIRC, they offer two slightly different designs. "Praise be that which toughens" - Nietzsche >A barong would be a pain for everyday carry, but aside from a Randall #1-7" >(w/Black Micarta Commando handle) little feels as comfortable in the hand >as a good barong. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:57:55 -0800 (PST) From: debergerac To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If your not worried about legality then the barong is the best(well...it and the Bowie) If you file down the width of the pommel then it would be more concealable(more comfortable.) The barong is the bowie of the Philippines and is tailor made really for the quick changes and slashing/songkiti of Cabales Serrada. FWIW, Anthony Park Guro, CSE > -----Original Message----- > From: Bert Saenen [mailto:Bert.Saenen@skynet.be] > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003, 3:22 PM > To: Eskrima Digest > Subject: [Eskrima] Traditional Filipino blade designs for self-defense > > Hello, > > What's your opinion on traditional Filipino blade designs (kris, various > bolo forms, barong, kampilan etc.) as a modern weapon for self-defense? > > I think that especially the barong could be a formidable close quarters self > defense weapon: > > - it's design gives it good chopping power (needed to make those limb > destruction techniques work) > - at about 15 inch blade length it has more reach than a knife but it is > still compact enough to wield it in confined spaces > - suitable for both cutting and thrusting > > The barong is probably too big to carry it comfortably. However, I think it > could serve a purpose in the car, in the house or as a tool (preparing wood, > camping knife, etc.). > > What do you think about those traditional Filipino blade designs. Do you > think they are still a good choice for personal combat or do you think they > are surpassed by other traditional (Japanese, Western, ...) or more modern > designs? Why? I would appreciate to hear your ideas and opinions. > > Regards, > > Bert Saenen > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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