Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:54:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #86 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. FMA thai connection (Q) 2. Re: Philippine Flag (Panaginip) 3. Regarding Sayoc Kali Information (Steven Lefebvre) 4. training in Maryland (Andrew Maddox) 5. Re: Emerson karambit (Mark F. Ward) 6. sayoc details (George Storm) 7. Kali/Ground (Musilat@aol.com) 8. RE: Kali/Ground (Mike Casto) 9. Re: Re: Philippine Flag (Derek Good) 10. FMA in Atlanta area (tstanfield@mindspring.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:15:37 -0800 (GMT) From: Q To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA thai connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <> Somtimes when you stand there and intercept with an elbow and simutaneously grab/hook as in many Thai techniques you are more effective. I think FMA workes best tight in corto where you have mobility as needed. This is looked at by some as standing there but really is not. I think the CSE corto is the range I like best becuase you are right at the point of medio to "standing grapple". <> The Thai/FMA blend extremely well to throw/grapple. The agony you feel on teh ground will dissapear with time. Everything feels heavy because you may have 1) not learned to relax, 2) escape. By escape I do not mean disengage. I mean reduce the immediate threat. Experiance will teach you to be comfortable even when the big guy is laying an elbow in your ribcage. Of course if he is doing it right you will panic and make it worse then make a mistake and then you are submitted. What is so fun about grappling is you both know pain is coming. The game is to see who panics first. Grappling is very Zen and calming IMO. In the end I have never seen an art that did not integreate. SiGung Lee and the "absorb what is useful" philosophy makes you look at different arts in an additive way. The best part comes when you revisit what you thought was once useless and then find usefullness in it...that's maturity in the martial arts that only comes with time. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Torrance, Ca. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Panaginip" To: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:24:29 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Philippine Flag Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well, first of all, Moro people, as with many other indigenous peoples of the archipelago, have never really considered themselves subjects of Philippine rule. Thus, they don't really consider the flag as their own. Point is, they may not know or really even care whether red or blue is displayed on top. However, let's say it was intentional... the reason I'd say that the flag is displayed with the red on top is that the Moro people have been fighting for independence since the time of the Spanish. Even under the current tryanny of the Philippine Government, the Bangsamoro people continue the struggle for independence. Recently, the AFP have been bombing the village of Pikit in Mindanao, which is a village mainly comprised of civilians. Here's the thing that nobody knows about... the Pikit area contains a rather large oil reserve which companies have been trying to get at for a while. So yes, the red on top is rather appropriate. Just some relevant links: www.bangsamoro.com http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030221/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/ us_philippines_16 -Eric --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:52:02 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Regarding Sayoc Kali Information Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, First, if anyone would like general information about Sayoc Kali, you can get an overview at either http://www.martialartsresource.com/filipino/filframe.htm, or http://www.Sayoc.com . But, truly the best way to see what each art is like, is to train with a qualified instructor in each of the arts. Here is an upcoming opportunity to train in Sayoc Kali. Date and Time – Sunday March 16th, 10:00am – 4:00pm Location – Columbia Athletic Center, Columbia Maryland Contact – Bob Shin: Bobshin@sayoc.com , or call (410) 750-2005 Cost: Prepaid $65.00 or $75.00 at the door Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Sayoc.com www.Bujinkandojo.net _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] training in Maryland Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, all; I've been on and off this digest over the years, now I actually have a question to post! I'm looking for people to play at FMA (and silat!) with in Montgomery County, MD. So, who's around? Yes, I know Mr. Krivka. No, he's just not my cup of coffee. If ya know Steve Braun (you're on here, right, Steve?), you know who I like to work with. If I could I'd still be working out with him, but I just can't get over to Steve's club any more, since becoming a Daddy and with the way my commuting situation works these days. So drop me a note on or off list, or have people get in touch with me, or whatever! p.s. - for silat folks, I do have what used to be Abu Mansur's list still alive and somewhat active. We could use some new blood there, though. Take that offlist here, and my thanks to Ray for letting me post that little advert (nudge-wink-eh?) -- Andrew "I will not bribe Principal Skinner" Maddox, found at: madsox@radix.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Mark F. Ward" To: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:55:29 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Emerson karambit Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Does someone have a review of the Emerson Kerambit folder? > > $450 US is like a month's wages for us Canadians. I tried one out the other day. My impressions: Opens wicked fast. I mean really really fast. The 'wave' feature seems made for this knife, whether held sak sak or pakal. The pocket clip is reversible with pre-drilled holes (why doesn't everyone do this?). Workmanship was top-notch. There is supposed to be a production variant coming out at lower cost, I would imagine it will be up to the standards of other Emerson knives. The all-titanium custom variant was very quick and very light. They also have quite nice training versions or drones (another thing everyone should do). Now the negatives: the finger hole was much too small for me - I could not spin it, nor could I easily get my index finger in for a quick draw. I have pretty big hands, but they're not huge, so I would try one out before you buy. Also, there's no outer or lower edge, and even if you did strike with the (blunt) outer edge, as in many karambit techniques, you would be placing much more strain on a liner lock than I would feel comfortable with - especially with a very sharp curved blade aiming right for my fingers. If you plan on using the knife solely in a sak sak or blade up grip, the Emerson production model might be just the ticket. Otherwise, you may want to look elsewhere. I have heard Steve Tarani is in the advanced development stage with a relatively inexpensive folding karambit. Sorry, I don't know the maker. I do know they are not going with a liner lock for it (huzzah!). I'm training with Steve in March, I'll try to find out more then. As an aside, I'm not sure how someone will come out with a folding karambit with a sharp lower or outer edge, other than having a dedicated sheath for it, a funky handle shape, or a shallow blade profile (otherwise it would cut its way out of your pants). The REKAT Pocket Hobbit with extended liners and an added finger hole might be a decent prototype for such a knife, but its blade curves the wrong way for a karambit. It would be nice to have something that fits in the pocket of a pair of jeans as opposed to the REKAT's clumsy holster. Any knifemakers out there with bright ideas? Best, mfw Mark F. Ward --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "George Storm" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:08:50 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] sayoc details Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > What I can do is outline how I teach Pekiti-Tirsia > knife work. Perhaps > > someone who is familiar with both systems can then > compare the two. > Tuhon Bill did a fine job of outlining P-T's knife. How about one of >our > Sayoc friends doing same so that we may see how they > compare? > Thanks! Please. Allow us to determine how different or similar are P-T and P-T Extended. <><><><> George S. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:04:28 -0500 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali/Ground Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gord, Knowledgeble Dumog instructors are even harder to find than good FMA empty hand instructors . Because of this, I chose to supplement my FMA with some Shoot Wrestling to help round things out. Guro Dan Inosanto adds Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, Shoot and Silat to his Kali and it seems to fit perfectly. Harimau from the Mande Muda system is one of Inosanto's Silat Choices for his ground game, but I'm not sure which other Silat systems cover the ground as well as Harimau. I don't think that Bukti Negara Silat (which Inosanto also teaches)has a ground game, but I don't know enough about that system to accurately comment on what they do and do not have. Good luck, Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kali/Ground Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:16:41 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm by no means a Bukti Negara guy, but it does have ground work. Not like a lot of people would consider ground work, but it's there. All the sweeps/takedowns (i.e.: sapu, biset, kenjit siko, kenjit kaki, puter kepala, etc.) can be done and are practiced on the ground. Being a pukulan system (aside from the sweeps/takedowns), it'd mostly be considered "ground and pound" for followups, but does also do some locking. I don't know how extensive they get on the ground, but I know they have some ground game (any actual BN guys out there?) I think a lot of Silat systems actually draw from Harimau for their ground game. There is another tiger system from Java (Harimau is Sumatran) called "Pamacan" that's incorporated in Mande Muda. But in Mande Muda, Pamacan is (at least in my limited exposure to it) used as a stand-up compliment to Harmiau. So I'm not sure how much groundwork is in it. I've also heard the term "Cimacan" but I'm not sure if this is just another word for "Harimau" or "Pamacan" or if it's a separate entity. I know that the Silat that I train draws its groundfighting from Harimau and I've heard that many others do this, but I don't know much past that. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Musilat@aol.com [mailto:Musilat@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:04 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali/Ground Gord, Knowledgeble Dumog instructors are even harder to find than good FMA empty hand instructors . Because of this, I chose to supplement my FMA with some Shoot Wrestling to help round things out. Guro Dan Inosanto adds Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, Shoot and Silat to his Kali and it seems to fit perfectly. Harimau from the Mande Muda system is one of Inosanto's Silat Choices for his ground game, but I'm not sure which other Silat systems cover the ground as well as Harimau. I don't think that Bukti Negara Silat (which Inosanto also teaches)has a ground game, but I don't know enough about that system to accurately comment on what they do and do not have. Good luck, Steve Kohn _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:21:04 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Good Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Philippine Flag To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net --- Panaginip wrote: > Well, first of all, Moro people, as with many other > indigenous peoples of the > archipelago, have never really considered > themselves subjects of Philippine > rule. Thus, they don't really consider the flag as > their own. Point is, they > may not know or really even care whether red or blue > is displayed on top. -- Thanks for reminding me. I totally forgot about this point. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:27:41 0000 (UTC) From: tstanfield@mindspring.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Atlanta area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone: I'd like to know if anyone can give me information on any FMA schools or practice groups in the Atlanta area other than the Fong academy and his two protege, Steve Grantham and Eddie Camden. Not that there's anything wrong with these guys, I just already know of them. I am specifically interested in Dog Brothers type training and empty hands sparring. Thanks, Johnny P. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest