Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:01:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #89 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Attacking Block Drills (Chad Getz) 2. Kerambit use, also in Prisons (Mr Nathan Defensor) 3. FMA in Atlanta (Steve VanHarn) 4. Re: silat effectiveness (Chad Getz) 5. (no subject) (Luis Pellicer) 6. RE: Re: silat effectiveness (Guru/Sensei Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: Chad Getz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Attacking Block Drills Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Got this from another digest, it's at someones advice to watch the Attacking Blocks Tape from the Dog Brothers. Below is my response. --- In stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, MYKE WILLIS wrote: > > Woof, > Get Marc Denny's (Crafty Dog of the Dogbrothers) video on Attacking Blocks. Anyone interested in closing the gap this is a most have. > Myke > StickS wrote: > Question: How do you close the gap or distance in a stickfight? > I saw a friend's tape. I though it was pretty good. Actually, very good. Crafty does a fantastic job of explaining and illustrating what he was doing. He does it at different views from all 4 sides and makes it easy to do along with him. Benjamin Ritter moves nicely, as well. A couple of years back, I heard Crafty explaining this Attacking Block drill typed over the ED, I think. Anyway, I worked on it and and trained it with some guys. Due to the misunderstanding of the specifics over the words, we trained it as a retreating blocks, and developed everything same except with retreating footrwork with the blocks, and moving forward on the strikes. We worked on it, but we hadn't developed to the point as fighters at that time that could actually utilize something like that without someone explaining it to us further in detail other than just reading a description of "how-to" without much of "why". Though, since I heard Crafty use the term "Attacking Blocks", I started to work on a few drills myself. One was a common 1)high forehand, 2)low backhand, 3)high backhand three count. Two guys do this hard with each other, than one of the guys closes with a block(outside deflection on the high backhand, or palis palis on the high or low backhand, inside deflection on the high forehand, etc., whatever technique you would like to do)anyway, one guy closes with one of his "techniues" that is like a block that is attacking with power. Well, however far-fetched that sounds, that's how I percieved it from what little I heard. Actually, the latest thing that I've been working on is a drill that looks something like half of what Crafty was doing on the attacking blocks tape. I was working on a drill that has elements working on the left side, and a mirror image drill that worked the mirror image technique and strike on the right side. Crafty had the two parts put together into one drill. BTW, in resepect to some post I read about GM Lema being left handed, I learned from a left hander as well. I remember, he wouldn't let us do the technique in the right hand until we could do it well in the left hand. He used to say, "What's good for the right, is good for the left." So, we(James and I) ended up taking alot of his left handed techniques and breaking them down to the concepts of the angles and strikes and worked a Mirror Angling Principle. Also, what struck me odd was that the principle of his "snakey stick" is the mirror image of Eric Knaus "snakey snick", except Eric is right handed, my instructor is left handed. I didn't really notice all of this until I started to really pay attention to the importance of structures, and applied the mirror angle principles(MAP for short I guess) did I notice the similarities, which makes me wonder if that is why I favor a structure like Erics when I fight. I've grown and now use different structuresm butmy base structure still holds to that. Anyway...oh wow, thats longer than I expected. Just had stuff on my mind, so this is the way I blow it off. Thanks for listening/reading, Attacking Blocks tape from Dog Brothers is a definite must watch for those intersted in working their ability to crash though ranges safely. I am looking forward to seeing the Combining Stick And Footwork and the Krabi Krabong. Maybe I can post review here if anyone is interested. Or if anyone has seen. BTW, Crafty has a nice follow though angle 1 that is very fluid, I was so impressed that I literally had to work on mine all week to get it up to speed. Aloha, ~Chad W. Getz Stickfighitng Hawaii --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Nathan Defensor To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kerambit use, also in Prisons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, Another source, Pandekar Suryadi "Eddie" Jafri once said to me it was used by some prisoners in Indonesian prisons. Easy concealment. Hard to disarm, small, compact, etc... I have also heard that in "Muntinlupa", one of the National Prisons in the Philippines, the cons there would also fashion small instruments like the "BULANG", the blade used in "Cockfighting". Since the hooking or reaping action would do maximum damage to the belly or the neck area for such a small weapon. It is either made in prison or smuggled in to the facility. Don't mean to offend anyone from Muntinlupa. Pre-Martial Law('72) days, Muntinlupa had a notorious reputation as the most violent Prison in RP. But the good side is Muntinlupa City itself has made lots of progress, it has cyber cafes, manufacturing plants, resorts, hotels, malls, very modernized, according to "TanikalangGinto"(http://www.filipinolinks.com/internet/tagalog.html), the online dictionary. Officially as a City, Muntinlupa is fairly new, I gather about 7-9 yrs old (corrections pls, any knowledgeable Pinoy can correct me here.). Kudos to Suro Jason Inay and Gat Puno Abon Baet for recently conducting successful seminars in Chicago area. Suro Jason Inay covered some advanced concepts in Inayan Eskrima, Serrada variations, lots of empty hand applications, and also shared some concepts from Master Jimmy Tacosa. Guro Abon did lots of "Buno" locks, "moro-moro", & "Cinco Teros/Siete Colores" drills. Guro Abon also explained footwork patterns, attack/defense drills and strategies in the Garimot System of Arnis/Escrima. My honest opinion, the Garimot System has one of the most unique concepts in Largo Mano, Cinco Teros, timing & Blade/bolo Fighting strategies. Not quite the same as Lastiko Largo Mano or Pekiti-Tirsia Ranging and/or 5-Attacks, Fraile, Tobosa/Villabrille's Ala Contra/Sagang Sagawas, or Inayan Largo Mano. But I would defer to Guro Abon and should be seen and felt in person in order to understand. Text and video would do no justice to this approach. Peace, Nate Defensor Filipino Kali-Eskrima Academy of Chicago http://www.kalieskrima.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steve VanHarn" To: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Atlanta Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<>> Benjamen Salas used to teach Doce Pares, I believe, in that area as recently as last year but I'm not sure if he is still located there. FWIW Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: Chad Getz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: silat effectiveness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've played with a Mande Muda Silat guy here in Hawaii, who had some nice technique. I'd be very inteerested in starting certain technical drills from silat ground to standing with a mask and glove on while getting punched. The guy had a unique enough way to pique my interest, though I still say he didn't have enough game without needing some structure from BJJ or wrestling for position. The guy used good silat fround work in 2 of his fights. The other 3 faired out differently. ~Chad W. Getz Stickfighting Hawaii --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:04:02 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Pellicer To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net //Some time ago in the ³Your Favourite Self-defense Weapons²-thread somebody said that firearms are not a part of martial arts because it involves only little training to kill somebody with a firearm. // If you're talking about walking up to a guy and pulling the trigger at point blank, sure. When things get hot and you're under fire, and you have to return fire, it's a different story. Like anything else it's a skill you have to train to be able to use efficiently. The "standard" of stand and fire does nothing to improve survivability, it's just a waste of ammo. Firing while on the move, running for cover, while the targets are running and firing back is a little more realistic. Doing in in low/very low light with an unpredictable/variable target sequence changes the picture all together. Then you find if you've got the instict or not. Shooting a gun is very different from fighting with one. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Guru/Sensei Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: silat effectiveness Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:49:44 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well, I can't speak for the guy you're talking about since I don't know who it was. But Pak Herman's ground game (from Harimau) was very good - amazing, even. I heard a story where he was working with a group of groundfighters (with some very skilled groundfighters among them). He had each of them come up and put him in any submission they chose. He'd let them get the submission on. When they said they were ready, he would counter and submit them in the blink of an eye :-) The Mande Muda ground work was very complete for Pak Herman. Of course, each practitioner will have varying degrees of skill/ability in any the art. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Chad Getz [mailto:stickshi@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:40 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: silat effectiveness I've played with a Mande Muda Silat guy here in Hawaii, who had some nice technique. I'd be very inteerested in starting certain technical drills from silat ground to standing with a mask and glove on while getting punched. The guy had a unique enough way to pique my interest, though I still say he didn't have enough game without needing some structure from BJJ or wrestling for position. The guy used good silat fround work in 2 of his fights. The other 3 faired out differently. ~Chad W. Getz Stickfighting Hawaii --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest