Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:55:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #97 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. GM Estalilla seminar (A M) 2. Danbury Ct Training (Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness) 3. Re: Arm-Bar Counter (Ron Balicki) 4. Re: Herman Suwanda and Mande Muda (Patrick Davies) 5. Arnis and Wing Chun Seminar in Chicago area (Jeremy Talbott) 6. curent events... (Jason) 7. Re: Attacking Blocks (Marc Denny) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: A M To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: ebansuelo@hotmail.com Subject: [Eskrima] GM Estalilla seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net First and foremost, thank you for your interest in the art of Estalilla Kabaroan. Manong Estalilla was supposed to be here in Sacramento last month but that has been postponed as a result of his accident. He is still recovering and is currently undergoing physical therapy. Again, his injuries were not too serious (nothing broken) but as an elderly person, it takes time for the body to heal. Our prayers for a quick recovery go out to you Manong. Also, Grand Master Estalilla's senior student in Sacramento, Master Ed Bansuelo's family and the Northern California Kabaroan organization has been preoccupied with the care of his youngest daughter who has been hospitalized with luekemia for the past several weeks. Our prayers for a quick recovery also go out to Antoinette Bansuelo. Thankfully, she is improving daily. Due to these circumstances, a seminar has been on hold. We as a group have been planning on bringing Manong Estalilla here when he feels well enough to travel and teach. I will certainly make an announcement here when plans have been finalized. Respectfully, Guro Anthony Manansala Estalilla Bansuelo Kabaroan www.kabaroan.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 11:53:03 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Danbury Ct Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net check out Chris Smith..highly recommended.. FMA, Muay Thai and grappling.. email me and i'll find his contact info if your interested. Don www.imafit.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ron Balicki" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Arm-Bar Counter Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:31:06 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Pugil, Using two legs over to get the arm-lock is great but I still to this day get success from one leg over on new and experienced martial artist alike. Shoot Wrestling has a ton of locks and counter locks from the one leg over position. Pak Herman just came up with a counter I hadn't seen before. Ron >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:45:03 +0000 >From: Ollie Batts >To: >Subject: >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >That's a nice counter Ron, and an indication as to why you'll hardly ever >see world-class Judo competitors apply the Cross-Arm-Lock (Ju-Ji Gatame) >with only one leg across nowadays. > >Pugil > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:47:38 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Herman Suwanda and Mande Muda Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Recently spent over a week on Marc Mcfann's ALP (Advanced Learning Programme) in Arkansas. During some spare time sheltering from the snow, i saw a video with Terry Gibson and Marc in Indonesia from the early 90's. At first I started to skip through the tape but when I stopped I got hooked into the material. The first time I met Marc was about the time of this trip and his groundwork material included the Mande Muda techniques which really were spectacular. We trained it recently at the UFA instructors camp in the UK and used a lot of 'Bundok' bone crushing techniques. Previously I would pass the guard and maybe monitor and trap the limb, but Marc pulverises the limb.[eg: as they attempt to sweep from their guard put knee on other side of sweeping leg with shin going over their shin. The foot left behind should be flat and not on the toes. Pick up ankle - their one. Wear ear plugs to protect hearing] Another interesting angle is the pressure points that simply destroy the strength of some peoples limbs to create that momentary window of opportunity, although it can seriously p*ss them off. I'm now realising that the stick grappling is intrinsically linked here (especially as the bone behind the bicep is sore from the weekends crushing). Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 06:55:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Talbott To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis and Wing Chun Seminar in Chicago area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello to all, I am new to this list but have been a long time member of Ray's Dojang Digest. I just wanted to take a quick minute of your time to let you know about a Wing Chun and Arnis seminar featuring Sifu Arturo Gabriel, I will be hosting in Westmont, Illinois. Details are below: When: Sat&Sun March 15th and 16th Time: 9am-1pm both days Where: Shoshin Dojo 29 N Cass Avenue STE 1A Westmont, Illinois 605017 Price: $65.00 for both sessions $50.00 for one session Contact: Jeremy Talbot 630-712-0248 or email unitedmartialarts@msn.com Qualifications of Sifu Gabriel: - Black Sash (Sifu) Wing Chun Gung Fu - Hong Kong Gangster Fist under Sigung Lan Wong and Sifu Gordy Wong - Chicago, IL (Chinatown) - Black Sash (Sifu) Progressive Wing Chun Kung Fu - under Sifu Kwok Chow - Manhattan, NY (Chinatown) - Black Sash / Lakan Guro - "Sayoc System" - Penkiti Tersion Arnis - Filipino stick and knife fighting under Tuhon (Grandmaster) Alfredo O'Campos - Arbutus, MD - Black Sash / Lakan Guro - "Sayoc Style" under the authority of Master Miguel Bosch - Baltimore, MD - Black Sash / Lakan Guro - "KaliLadra Style" under Master Bobby Ladra - Severna Park, MD - Black Sash / Lakan Guro - Modern Arnis, Kun Tao, Cadena De Mano (Empty Hand Filipino Gung Fu, Chain Of Hands) under Arma Guro / Sifu Master Billy Bryant - Baltimore, MD Saturday will be the Wing Chun portion of the seminar and Sunday will be the Arnis portion. All participants are responsible for providing their own sticks and practice knives. Please feel free to contact me for any questions. Thank you. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason" To: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:05:12 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] curent events... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings everyone, Heres what I found..... DAVAO, Philippines -- A powerful bomb has ripped through an airport in the Philippines' second largest city, killing at least 21 people and injuring 148. The explosion, which destroyed the waiting area at the Davao City airport on Mindanao Island, struck at about 5.30 p.m. local time (0930 GMT) Tuesday. Witnesses said there were "many, many bodies," raising fears the death toll could rise. Among the dead was one American; three other Americans were injured, U.S. Embassy attache Ronald Post told CNN. An hour after the airport blast a bomb exploded at a health center in Tagum City, 31 miles (50 kilometers) north of Davao, injuring two people, an official told CNN. All air traffic to and from Davao International Airport -- the gateway to the restive Mindanao region -- has been suspended. Philippines President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo condemned the airport explosion as "a brazen act of terrorism which shall not go unpunished." She has called an emergency meeting of the Cabinet committee on internal security. Police said the first bomb tore through a shelter outside the arrival terminal building where about 80 people had gathered to greet passengers on a plane that had just landed. Smoke rises after last week's car bombing on Mindanao Island. <<...OLE_Obj...>> "It was a very, very loud explosion," Terry Labado, an airport official told The Associated Press. "I saw bodies flying." "We rushed out of the building to see where the explosion happened. We saw many dead." Disaster officials were inspecting shattered windows and a badly damaged building to determine what type of explosive was used. There was no immediate claim of responsibility but police said they had defused other bombs in the area in recent weeks. President Bush condemned the bombing, said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who added it "has all the earmarkings of terrorism." "We are working closely with the government of the Philippines, who has fought valiantly in the war on terror," Fleischer said. "The United States will work shoulder-to-shoulder with the Philippine government to make certain that those responsible are brought to justice." The explosions come at a time of uncertainty and rising tensions on the island as Manila tries to crack down on terrorism. In the last few weeks there have been escalating attacks between the Philippine military and rebels from the MILF, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. The rebels, the largest Muslim separatist group in the south of the country, have been fighting for a Muslim homeland in this impoverished part of the Philippines for three decades. Despite a 1997 shaky cease-fire, fighting has occasionally flared up. Just last week, MILF rebels toppled two power transmission towers in Mindanao, blacking out the southern region. But on Tuesday, MILF spokesman Eid Kabalu denied involvement in the airport attack and denounced both blasts. The airport blast also comes at a time when Washington is debating whether it should send more than 1,000 troops to help fight the Islamic rebel group Abu Sayyaf in the far southern part of the island. The Abu Sayyaf split from the MILF in the early 1990s and is the most violent of the Islamic separatist groups operating in the southern Philippines. Both the Abu Sayyaf and the MILF have been linked to a sweeping alliance of militant Islamic groups in Southeast Asia with close links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. The groups have been accused of stirring up homegrown conflict aimed at toppling the region's secular governments in favor of Islamist states Some U.S. special forces are training Philippine units in counter-terrorism tactics in and around the city of Zamboanga, 350 km (220 miles) west of Davao. Davao is 609 miles (980 kilometers) south of Manila. -- Jakarta Bureau Chief Maria Ressa, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:41:39 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Attacking Blocks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Chad, Rocky et al: > Rocky wrote: > > >>Mr. Getz wrote about attacking blocks. > >>Chad, not to be a smart ass but I didn't know there was really any other > >>kind of block, since 1975 I was always taught that a block was an attack, if > >>it wasn't it was purely defensive, and if one is purely defensive, you allow > >>your opponent to dictate the tempo and allow him to repeatedly attack, thus > >>producing what I refer to as the machine gun effect, you let a guy throw > >>enough rattan at you some thing is going to get thru!!!! As is often the case with "The Book of Rock" this is exactly right. My intention with the use of the term "Attacking Block" is to provoke people into getting this. > CHAD WROTE: > `75? Sorry, dude, I wasn't even born. Actually, Rocky, the way I percieved the term Attacking Block was to be as an avenue to train closing the gap. Moving from the long range into the close range or clinch behind an attacking block or actually an attacking "deflect, hold, strike" while running in to crash through the ranges. We used common "techniques" that we learned like inside deflection/eagle wing(roof) against an angle 1 or outside deflection/or palis palis against an angle 2, etc. Then we'd spar long range only, and try to close behind the techniques against full power strikes using a mask(just in case). My instructor was very adamant about using "deflections" and not blocks, but we are 2 different people with two different perspectives, so I just categorize it all under the same word "block", just to get across the concept of where the sticks belong, and individuals can work the "technical" differences ! > if they wish. Maybe a more suitable term be closing attacking blocks. Again, my perception is just a bastardization of the original idea. I'm only expanding on what I saw on a tape and what I've heard Crafty explain, so I may be off point to the whole 'intended' goal of the AB, but it intented goal may have been reached anyhow, since it did inspire something in our training that has produced better results in my weekly stickfight expeditions. I noticed after working a version of my perception of a back and forth striking drill in which attacking blocks were somewhat utilized, that I began to pull off cleaner "technique" in my fights that gave me more confidence to play with the range and my timing. > > Crafty, I worked with Dogzilla Friday night with the sticks, so I'm not sure how close or far I am along the ideas. He let me watch the tape Friday night after we worked out. > END Chad, blearyeyed I just got off a redeye flight this morning from Lima Peru where I spend 6 days a couple of hundred miles to the south visiting my mom who is doing good deeds down there and helping her with a problem and so am catching up with some 500 emails (of course the majority are offers to view sundry sexual acts, increase genital size, pyramid schemes and so forth -) ) -- so tail wags for your kind words in your two posts on this matter and please forgive my brevity: It sounds like you have the essence pretty clear. BTW I too often use the term block to include deflections as well. Do note however that with in "the Weapon Range" (the second range) of DBMA Theory of 7 Ranges is where this distinction and others are made. A couple of points about the DBMA Attacking Blocks Right 1-A Drill that is shown in the video: Like the box patterns found in Illustrisimo (Regino) Cabales and others, there is an endless loop in sombrada modality. However here instead of alternating attack and defense every strike, here there are three strikes and three ABs. The movements of the loop are chosen to grant flight time in important movements and combinations but there is the addititional dimension that the loop also serves as a generator-- analogous to hubud-lubud-- wherein various techniques, combinations, ideas can be explored in an increasingly open state of "flow" while maintaining the feel of what brings these out in a genuinely responsive manner. Also, I would note that when both players have mastered this material and the advanced material the beginning of which is shown in "Combining Stick and Footwork" the two drills can be blended. Hope this is clear, I'm operating is a very sleep-disrupted state at the moment. Glad to hear you're hooking up with Dogzilla. Woof, Guro Crafty --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest