Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:01:48 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #106 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Fencing Question (L. E.) 2. Ouch!!! (Stovall, Craig) 3. Fencing & FMA (Bobster) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "L. E." To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:19:25 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Fencing Question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regards to all: While in college, I was fortunate enough to foil fence. I would say that it was a mutually "symbiotic relationship" whereas both arts served to compliment each other. Across the city, GM Ramiro Estalilla was fencing with the City College group & later became the fencing instructor at Calif. State Univ. Fresno. There are times that brings a smile to me when I applied Eskrima on some of the more senior fencing students and was able to score. Manong Ramiro would tell me stories of the same & when we both engaged foil together, many times we abandoned the "classical" and played Eskrima with our foils. It provided us another venue to "experiment". We had chuckled about this on a few occassions. The fencing to me was a blast. It brought an additional appreciation of the teachings that Guro Ted Lucaylucay was fortunate enought to shed a light onto me of his JKD. I attended a seminar with Dr. Zee Lo who was a former student of Sifu Ted Wong. His forward shuffle/push off was extemely explosive & he humbly said that Sijo Bruce (according to Sifu Wong) was much faster! I used to try to imulate the same in launching my forward lunge in foil fencing. Timing/broken rythym, sensitivity, non-telegraphic movement, deception, etc.... and just plain fun (sticking and stabbing an opponent). This all is translatable to empty hand. Another example of a Physical Chess Game. Alas, I reminisce and wish still to foil play. If you have the opportunity, try it (at least once), Respectfully, Lino Espejo _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:21:28 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Ouch!!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jim wrote in regards to "debergerac", <<< You are not a certified instructor for Cabales Serrada Escrima and GM Cabales was or is not your teacher. You stopped by the class ONE DAY to work out with Khalid. You spent most of the time trying to unlearn how to do a shoulder block. I know because I was there. You can say that you worked out with him once, but anything more than that is BS. In Closing Anthony Park aka Phillip Inoy is not certified under GM Vincent Cabales nor does he represent the Academy of Cabales Serrada Escrima. He has minimal knowledge in the Serrada system and should not be considered an instructor.>>> I wonder if I can also disregard what Anthony/Phillip/"debergerac" wrote about himself on the 17th of February? <<< This is an example of definitional para/quasi logic Ray. Did you REALLY think a Mensan would let this slip ??? :-p)>>> I'm wondering if I'm the only one who finds humor in the Freudian overtones when one considers the nasal similarities between the literary Debergerac and a less than truthful Pinnochio. Interesting stuff. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bobster" To: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:26:49 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Fencing & FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >"There are those on this list who have done classical fencing. Did you find it useful in you martial arts development? In what way? Which weapon did you find most useful? Mike Koblic"< Hi Mike, I have found that classical fencing lends itself VERY well to FMA. There are principles of timing, body mechanics & strategy that are indicative of the sword, however, they suggest new patterns to explore with a stick & knife. This is especially true at the largo range, where much classical swordplay takes place anyway. Actual physical techniques & stances are mostly indicative of fencing alone, not many of them are transferrable as they were intended for a sword, with a shearing guard, held in a certian posture. I would also like to clarify that we are speaking of "Classical Fencing", not "Sport Fencing", a different animal altogether. That said, there is much to be gained from the classical game. All three weapons (Foil, Epee, Saber) have a style unique to each instrument, as well as characteristics that blend casually into each other. To gain an idea of this, I would suggest Aldo Nadi's great book, "On Fencing", as well as William Gaugler's "The Science of Fencing". They are both excellent. For a different point of view, especially on the sport fencing Vs. martial arts game, try out "The Inner Game of Fencing" by Nick Evangelista. Very similar format to "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do", except for fencing. Very educational! The thing to understand if you are exploring fencing (for purposes other than just enjoyment of fencing), is that the ATTRIBUTES you gain from fencing are the great payoff in other martial arts. Don't go looking for the fabled "Secret Technique", or "The unstoppable lunge", it doesn't exist. Footwork, timing, & body mechanics are the key. And don't go into it thinking that these attributes will magically appear in a few easy lessons, you must practice like crazy. Or sane, really, it's your preference! ;-) You will find the individual weapons lend thier characteristics to various ranges as well. Saber has given me new insight into my medio-range game, Foil has lots to offer for largo. Fencing is great fun for me, but only after persuing it for awhile did it's lessons start to bleed over to my FMA. Many people have tried to make an immediate connection between fencing & Kali, only to walk away disappointed. You should approach it with an open mind, & let it sink in, before writing it off as usless. Just like Eskrima, there are many individual skills you must develop in order to bring them together in technique. Good luck!! Bobbe Edmonds "Only one who devotes himself to a cause with his whole body and soul can be a true master. For this reason, mastery demands all of a person." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest