Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:01:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #112 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. (No Subject) (Garrote Olisi Eskrimador) 2. What islands? (Deveyra, Tito A.) 3. Info on Martial Arts in Virginia Beach (Jesse Manibusan) 4. Re: Info on Martial Arts in Virginia Beach (Ben Fajardo) 5. links ? (Ray Terry) 6. that term again (tenrec@avcorner.com) 7. Re: that term again (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:16:18 -1100 From: "Garrote Olisi Eskrimador" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Subject: [Eskrima] (No Subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net DAVID FOGGIE WROTE: "Nevertheless, to this day there are still some islands whose inhabitants use the term kali. Eskrima comes from the Spanish word escrima, which means fencing. Aside from these terms baston, estoque, kaliradman, and others are also some of the different terms used by the practitioners depending on the region where they come from." Well David, name me a Philippine island that uses the word kali and I'll give you my one months pay!!! I'll go there myself to check it out. You've probably never set foot in our country, so stop assuming you know too much about Eskrima. Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:18:15 -0800 From: "Deveyra, Tito A." To: Subject: [Eskrima] What islands? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net David, "Nevertheless, to this day there are still some islands whose inhabitants use the term kali." Could Ginoong Dantes care to elaborate which islands? Or what dialect? Is this usage fairly recent? Guro Dantes is a very respected and well known member of the Filipino community. It was my great grandfather, Jaime C. de Veyra (see below), a linguist and educator. that pushed through Congress that Tagalog be the national. My mother is from Mindanao (Zamboanga). My father is from Visayas (Leyte). I grew up in Manila (a Tagalog region). " The 1935 Constitution Article XIV, Section 3 states that "...Congress shall make necessary steps towards the development of a national language which will be based on one of the existing native languages..." There are two significant words in the statement, namely existing and native. The initial step made by the national Assembly was the passing of Commonwealth Act No. 184 (1936) that created a national committee and empowered its members to decide on which one of the existing native major languages will be the national language be based. The committee members were eminent linguists and each one of them representing a linguistic group or one of the major languages. They were Jaime C. de Veyra (Hiligaynon), Santiago Fonacier (Ilocano), Casimiro Perfecto (Bicol), Felix Salas Rodriguez (Samarnon), Felimon Sotto (Cebuano), Cecilio Lopez (Tagalog), and Hadji Butu (Maranao-Maguindanao). Mr. Jaime de Veyra was the chairman of the said committee. A year later, four more committee members were included. They were Isidro Abad (Cebuano), Zoilo Hilario (Pampango), Jose Zulueta (Pangasinan) and Lope K. Santos (Tagalog). After a thorough and earnest effort in studying the case, the committee recommended Tagalog to be the basis of the national language. Hence, the Executive Order No. 134 s. 1937 stating that the national language will be based on Tagalog. Three years after the proclamation of Tagalog as the basis of the national language (officially called "Pilipino" since 1959) it was decided as one of the official languages of the Philippines. It was taught as a subject in the teacher education courses and in the elementary and secondary schools throughout the country. Lope K. Santos who was then appointed director of the Institute of National Language (1939), undertook the preparation of grammar book (Balarila ng Wikang Pambansa) which constitute the bulk of what was taught in school. The Tagalog-based national language was taught in school only as one of the subject areas (1940) but was not adapted as the medium of instruction. During World War II, the Japanese encouraged the use of the National Language rather than English in the schools. The Tagalog-based national language was, therefore, propagated not only in education but also in mass media and in official communication. The census for 1948 reported that 7,126,913 people or 37.11% of the population spoke the language, representing an increase of 11.7% from the 1939 figure of 4,068,565. Of these seven million people, 47.7% learned it as a second language (Liamzon)." Tito de Veyra -- __--__-- Message: 3 From: "David Foggie" To: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:05:43 +1100 Subject: [Eskrima] Differences Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi John, According to my teacher, Guro Roland Dantes the Philippines consists of more than 7100 islands. According to research conducted by the national library in Manila, the Philippines has approximately 52 dialects. Because the largest island (Luzon in the north) is also the most populated one, the Department of Education included the tagalog dialect as one of the prerequisite subjects for all students. In 1936, the President Manuel Quezon declared tagalog the national language. Tagalog was chosen as the national language as the majority of the population can understand it. Nevertheless, to this day there are still some islands whose inhabitants use the term kali. Eskrima comes from the Spanish word escrima, which means fencing. Aside from these terms baston, estoque, kaliradman, and others are also some of the different terms used by the practitioners depending on the region where they come from. Hopefully this has been of assistance. David --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jesse Manibusan To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Info on Martial Arts in Virginia Beach Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know of a good school to attend while in Virginia Beach? Also, are there any demos, competitions, clinics or anything happening the Virginia Beach area from April through July? I will be there during the above timeframe and want to keep myself busy with FMA, firearms, or any other kinds of interesting training. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:18:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Fajardo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Info on Martial Arts in Virginia Beach To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net --- Virginia Beach area Antonio R. Torres email: trucomartdeftac@webtv.net Inosanto Blend, Maphilindo Silat Phone: 757-631-1715 Guru Greg Alland Arnis America Kali Silat Club 124 First Colonial Va. Beach Va. Beach, VA. 23458 Phone: (757) 422 4777 here is some more help for you, enjoy your visit! Ben Jesse Manibusan wrote: > Does anyone know of a good school to attend while in > Virginia Beach? Also, are there any demos, > competitions, > clinics or anything happening the Virginia Beach > area from > April through July? I will be there during the > above > timeframe and want to keep myself busy with FMA, > firearms, > or any other kinds of interesting training. > Thanks. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:07:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] links ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Don't see your school's link here? http://martialartsresource.com/links/links.htm#Filipino%20Arts Please forward it to me at the following address. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: tenrec@avcorner.com To: The Sudlud-InayanFMA mailing list Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:06:01 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] that term again Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr Fogie Wrote: >According to research conducted by the national library in >Manila, the Philippines has approximately 52 dialects. There are over 120 languages in the Phil. at last count, each with a number of dialects... and >Nevertheless, to this day there are still some islands whose inhabitants use >the term kali. Please name one. Mr. Terry wrote: >The real test would be if we could locate any that used that term (kali) in the >1950s or so... That shouldn't be so hard...should it? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com jtenrec2@yahoo.com tenrec2@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] that term again To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:57:52 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >The real test would be if we could locate any that used that term (kali) in > >the 1950s or so... > > That shouldn't be so hard...should it? Maybe... Maybe not... Do you know of any? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest