Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:01:46 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #120 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: left and right is right (Richard KILLICK) 2. History: Kali (Seraksatu@aol.com) 3. Buno and Sabunutan? OK lang kabayan. (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. First images (Action Reaction School of Self-Defense) 5. KALI blah blah (Luis Pellicer) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Richard KILLICK" To: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:22:18 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: left and right is right Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In the past when I was training hard to stick fight I used to get pain and tears in the right shoulder towards the spine area.. Up to that point I mostly trained to use my right hand with little double stick work. Crafty dog gave me some basic staff work to do and one of the points he made was that if you work right hand and left hand, for want of better words, you balance out your muscles. Since that time I never had a further problem with my right shoulder. When training I work both sides for the basics but tend to only work the right side for sparring, sometimes I will spar with the left just to keep my eye in. I think even if your not planning to use your good hand in sparring you should work the basics to keep yourself balanced and injury free. I cannot think of a reason why you can not get good with your left (if your right handed) unless you have time issues, as Steve notes below. Regards Richard. > It really boils down to this question: how much time are you willing to > spend developing your non-dominant hand, given that this is time taken away > from developing your dominant hand? The obvious answer for some is, "quite > a lot," and God bless anyone who can become truly ambidextrous. Lately I've > been studying Pekiti Tirsia's espada y daga system, and I am fairly certain > that ambidexterity is an attribute that should be developed here (i.e., > using the espada or daga in either hand, respectively)- especially given the > range wherein both hands are doing sometimes different, but often quite > similar things. > > My compromise thus far, since I also study a longer-range espada y daga > style as my primary art, is to make my non-dominant hand "competent" with > respect to basic cuts and patterns with the espada, but to focus on being > "expert" with both of my hands - which are doing quite different things in > this system of espada y daga. With respect to double stick, this translates > into an asymmetrical style of fighting, since my use of double stick is > based on espada y daga patterns and combinations. > > One caveat, however, may be the guy who is equally good with the opposite > side, and who comes at you with this side. Here you "need to know how to > fight a southpaw," so to speak, or else you revert to an ambidextrous style > of fighting. The question remains: is your non-dominant hand going to be > as good as your dominant hand? At this point, mine isn't. > > Best, > > Steve Lamade > San Miguel Eskrima Association --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:21:30 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] History: Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat Folks Let me see now, history 10 Datus left the Indonesian Islands and one Datoe or Datoek returned. The word in it self more used on Borneo The only reference of Datoek found in West Java Much of the language came with the folks that immigrated to the Philippines Look at the counting Satoe, Doe (or Dawaloe), Tiga, Empat, Lima etc etc. Either Tagalog or Visayan much of the language spoken and so much dialects Kali in Jowo (Javanese) or Malaju means River Silat Kali or Puncha Kali much unknown to many was indeed practiced The word Tji in Sundanese giving the meaning to flowing Much of the roots of Embah Kahir (1764) well known founder of Tji-mande now spelled Cimande has much of the roots to Silat Kali (very old) Kali: regardless of the words and use of it No matter used by Philippines or Javanese All of these arts are great and for sure we all can learn from it Research of words can really surprise you in digging for it Research for the Asian or Western culture can have much benefit and finding roots Pak Vic --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:08:22 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Buno and Sabunutan? OK lang kabayan. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Garrote Olisi Eskrimar, Thanks you for reply, Okay lang, Pardon granted. In regards of Sambunotan, I am not sure, if we are talking the same one, in my town and Tagalog words is "Sabunutan" meaning two fighter holding each other to there hair and applied pulling and pushing maneubers. Its is part of Buno, but most of the time, the women since having longer hair than man, are the one using this term and techniques most of and common times. Salamat/Thank you, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA > > To: > Gatpuno Baet, > Thanks for clearing things up as far as Buno is concerned. Pardon my > ignorance on the Laguna martial arts. I've been to Laguna on a whistlestop, > so i never had the opportunity to research on the indigenous martial arts. > Buno as an institutionalized system does not exist in the Cebu. We use the > term Dumog (native wrestling). BTW, is the term "sambunotan" in Tagalog > derived from the root word --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Action Reaction School of Self-Defense" To: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:26:58 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] First images Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, Since I know that the images of first US casulaties will not be shown in the US, I thought to send yiou this: "The first images of US soldiers who died serving their country have been shown here in Europe. I do not think they will be aired in the US, so here is a brief description of what has been shown: A truck and a small trailer behind, in the middle of nowhere, with one body in the front and one in the back. It looked to me like it was a logistic truck. That is what has been shown so far. On the POW side, they have shown 4 soldiers (three men and a woman). They were exhibiting them like trophy. A journalist was interrogating them (where are you from, are you here to kill Iraqi people, have you been greated with guns or flowers). It is not easy to watch these first images. Vittorio" --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Pellicer To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] KALI blah blah Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net //That said, over the years I have mellowed to the point that it doesn't bother me any more what someone calls the Art. I have made it a point to go and ask some of the old men who began to use the term kali (Tatang Illustrisimo, Leo Gaje, Bo Sayoc among others), and am satisfied that the term was made up, either for marketing or nationalistic motives. On the other hand, terms like eskrima and arnis were made up also, just a longer time ago. Neither term is a native Tagaolog or Visayan term.// I think I was one of the instigators of the word debate years ago, I've changed my mind since. I personally am pushing for the name which a guy mentioned several issues ago. I think we should call the art "kiki". :-) For you non-plipinoy speakening peoples, look the term up, in colloquial! I'm for it. :-) Hey Steve, how're things in your part of the world? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest