Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:01:48 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #126 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tatang Ilustrisimo and HH HADJI MOHAMMAD Jamalul Kiram II (braulio agudelo) 2. Rocky Pasiwk (Musilat@aol.com) 3. Hilot in CA (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. Re: FMA in Hawaii... (Roan Grimm) 5. Handedness (Q) 6. Re: FMA (Doce Pares) in Hawaii? (Andrew R Breton) 7. what's in a word (David Eke) 8. pocket stick/palm stick (Stickgrappler108) 9. protest warrior (Francis Serrano) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: braulio agudelo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tatang Ilustrisimo and HH HADJI MOHAMMAD Jamalul Kiram II To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a note: Hadji is a title for making the pilgrimage to Mecca. Sultan Hadji Mohammad Jamal ul Kiram II and Hadji Butu were to different persons. Hadji Butu was the Sultan's Prime Minister of Sulu. btw Kalis is the word for kris sword in Tausug the Jolo/Sulu dialect. --- Vincent Bollozos wrote: > Garrote Olisi Eskrimador I beleive you are WRONG! > > You wrote : > > >Tatang was born in 1907 add 9 that gives us the > year 1916 when he run away > >from home to Mindanao and was taken by his > supposedly foster father Sultan > >Muhammad. Wrong! The reigning Sultan of Sulu during > at that time was Sultan > >Jamalal Kiram II whose reign lasted until 1936. > > > > The reigning Sultan at that time was HH HADJI > MOHAMMAD Jamalul Kiram II. > This is how he signed his name when he signed the > Bates treaty in August 20, > 1899. HH HADJI MOHAMMAD Jamalul Kiram II took this > name upon his rise to > Sultan. His orginal name was Hadji Butu. > > >Notwithstanding this discrepancy the book... > > There are no discrepancy. Tatang made nothing up. > > Vince Bollozos > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:34:33 -0500 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Rocky Pasiwk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky, Can't say I disagree with you but, dude...youre gonna give yourself an aneurism(sp). Be Well, Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:01:04 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hilot in CA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, If you are looking for Hilot in CA. Search on the web with Virgilio Apostol. He has a book of Hilot out, I believed he is from CA. If not e-mail me and I will give you some advice to "Hilot yourself" to ease your neck pain. gatpuno@aol.com Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Roan Grimm" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:39:48 -1000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: FMA in Hawaii... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:43:52 -0800 (PST) >From: Jasper Liao >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] FMA (Doce Pares) in Hawaii? >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Greetings to all... >I am moving to Hawaii after spending some time in >China, and was wondering if ayone could recommend an >FMA club. I've studied Doce Pares before, but I'm not >necessarily limiting my search to that. I'll be >living in Manoa Valley, so the closer the better. >Also, has anyone ever trained in a Chinese boxing art >called Sanda? I sat in on a class and it seemed to >have a lot of similarities to Muay Thai, but with more >of a focus on takedowns. >Thanks, >Jasper Jasper- There are a bunch of FMA schools here in Hawaii. I think there's a guy who teaches Doce Pares...he's looking to put together some fighters for the 2004 World Eskima Championships or something. Then there's Burton Richardson with his JKDU school, the Del Mar school, the Lontayo school, the Pedoy school, the Sisneros school, Benny Albios' school, I believe the Tobosa school is still here, Dogzilla of the DBMA is here, and Chad, James, Leroy, myself and the rest of the Full Contact Hawaii guys are here for weekend training/fighting. The list doesn't begin to cover the numerous amount of manongs doing backyard teaching. And although I've never heard of Sanda (though to be fair, I haven't heard of a lot of things), there is an instructor teaching San Shou, which I believe is basically Chinese kickboxing but allows for throws and takedowns. If you want more info, please feel free to contact me privately and I can get you some contact information for the the listed schools. Aloha, Kalani -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:47:52 -0800 (GMT) From: Q To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Handedness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re: training left and right sides...This issue is less about right hand/ left hand for those having problems in the integretion of both handedness. It is the basics that elude most people. Success is found earlier if one concentrates on proper mobility and body mechanics first (both ways) and limb movement last. Everything starts in the hips. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Torrance, Ca. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:47:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA (Doce Pares) in Hawaii? From: Andrew R Breton Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jasper, If you find a doce pares group, let me know. I'm starting out a small pekiti group in the Waikiki/Diamond head area. Your other good bet in that area are the Derobrio guys. They're roughly by University avenue in Isenberg park. Ron's a very knowledgable, fun-to-talk-to-guy. You can do a google search or search the FMA instructors database for contact info. Chad has a group that stickfights Sunday mornings that's close to Manoa in Paki park. Chad's been a very enthusiastic long time supporter of stickfighting. I have Chad's new phone number around here somewhere, but he's an active member on this list. Just do a search through post postings on the digest. If you can get out further to Kapiolai on the leeward side of the island, Mike Tibbitts (Dogzilla of the DBMA) has a group that meets on the weekends. It's great "front lawn" training and Mike's a geat guy, well worth the trip. (if you're carless, I can take you as my schedule permits). You can get his number through me or Chad. There are other FMA arts here, but not to my knowledge close to Manoa. Andy On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:43:52 -0800 (PST) Jasper Liao writes: > Greetings to all... > > I am moving to Hawaii after spending some time in > China, and was wondering if ayone could recommend an > FMA club. I've studied Doce Pares before, but I'm not > necessarily limiting my search to that. I'll be > living in Manoa Valley, so the closer the better. > > Thanks, > Jasper --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:47:01 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] what's in a word Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net After a week away it's good to see the Kali debate still alive and well. Crafty made the following point "PTK is a very influential system including on Inosanto Blend, Lameco, and DBMA amongst others. I know that some point out that GT Gaje used to use the term "Arnis" and claim he now uses the term Kali to appeal to Americans, but that is not what he says." Why did GM "Nene" Tortal and GM Hortencio Navales call their call arts Pekiti-Tirsia system of Arnis and GT Gaje call it Pekiti-Tirsia Kali. GT Gaje acknowledges that they all belong within the same system. Why the difference in terminology? He also acknowledges GM Binas whose art was called Lapu-Lapu system of Arnis. Isn't it interesting that neither within the same island (even within families) there is an apparent discrepency in how the art was named. If you have traveled to the PI recently you probably will not find a difference as the name has been changed in deference to the American influence. If you don't want to believe me maybe people might like to get Edgar Sulite's book (written in the late 80's) Masters of Arnis, Kali & Escrima. If you know some of the history of the book GM Sulite traveled around the Philippines training with various masters. He documented the style of Nene Tortal and Hortencio Navales as the Pekiti Tirsia system of Arnis. He dealt with GM Gaje style later when he traveled outside the Philippines, he documented GT Gaje's style as simply Pekiti Tirsia. In the text over a number of pages GT Gaje never refers to his art as KALI, he does however, refer to the art as ARNIS. If people are sick of the Kali debate, ignore it! Just the same way as I ignore the blatant self promotion and hype of many of the postings. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Stickgrappler108" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:28:17 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] pocket stick/palm stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello, i'm looking for info on the palm stick of the FMA known variously as pocket stick, olisi palad, tabik malit, etc. i'm mainly looking for history/background, but training progressions would be cool too. TIA. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:19:18 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Francis Serrano" To: Subject: [Eskrima] protest warrior Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky, You say you are proud to be an american yet you mock those who practice their Constitutional Rights. If anyone and I mean anyone wants to get up and say that they are againts the war, they have every right to do so. Freedom of Speech is not limited to those that YOU want to hear. Not with that being said, I have not checked out the protestwarrior.com site. Nor am I going to. I myself am not for the war but I am for our men and women that is fighting. Although I am againts the war I can see that a madman unchecked (Sadaam) is far more dangerous than a few people expressing their oppions. So please before you start spewing on the american values and pride, please let others say that they are not... Francis Serrano proud american.... [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif] --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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