Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:15:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #132 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Kali/Eskrima/Arnis Concepts/Principles (Mike Casto) 2. Thanks Animal!! (Roan Grimm) 3. Re: d' Name Game (braulio agudelo) 4. Training Gear/Full Contact (Seraksatu@aol.com) 5. Anyone Seen the hunted? (Nicholas Stevens) 6. Palmstick (bill m) [Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #130] (Stickgrappler108) 7. RE: Kali/Eskrima/Arnis Concepts/Principle (Patrick Davies) 8. RE: the word "play" (Patrick Davies) 9. Krabi Krabong (Steve VanHarn) 10. GT Leo Gaje (Philip Gelinas) 11. Re: d' Name Game (Ray Terry) 12. Footwork (Khalkee@netscape.net) 13. RE: Anyone Seen the hunted? (Mike Casto) 14. RE: RE: the word "play" (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kali/Eskrima/Arnis Concepts/Principles Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:49:38 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would say that, in my experience, the primary one is simply (but elusively) "flow." Others are physical principles like leverage and torque, among others. And, I would say, that these are what make *all* martial arts work. But I think flow is a big one. The ability to flow from one thing to another and not get hung up when something goes awry. The ability to flow from one "game" to another without getting hung up. The ability to take a shot and flow into your counter without hesitation. All the really good martial artists, regardless of background, have good flow. But I think the FMA do a really good job of emphasizing this flow and of developing it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Alagna, Steven M [mailto:steven.m.alagna@intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:30 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali/Eskrima/Arnis Concepts/Principles Howdy All, I have one simple question.... :-)) What are the principles/concepts that make Kali/Eskrima/Arnis work?? Steve Alagna _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Roan Grimm" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:09:40 -1000 Subject: [Eskrima] Thanks Animal!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc-- Just thought I'd send out a sincere thank you. Your post has generated a slew of responses...all od which I have enjoyed reading and all of which I think present valid points (though I may or may not agree with them). And it's nice to see sucg a lively discussion that hasn't (as yet) degenerated into name calling, "I'm right your wrong" malarkey. And as always, I am inspired by the very fact that a former "thug named 'Animal'" can so eloquently explain himself with a sound basis in current psychological "truths". To everyone else who has replied, thanks for the reading...I am continually amazed and inspired through your ideas and thoughts. Peace. Aloha, Roan Kalani Grimm "We must remember that one man is much the same as another and he is best who is trained in the severest school." "The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding go out to meet it." --Thucydides "The will to win compares little with the will to prepare to win." --Coach Bear Bryant "Who dares wins." --British SAS -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:38:41 -0800 (PST) From: braulio agudelo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] d' Name Game To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Here are some of the earliest historically traceable words containing kali that are martial arts related. These are pre-15th century. kalinan - festival with martial arts kali - judge (Lapu Lapu held this title) kalis - sword Contact me if you want to go into more detail. It's not a matter of it being recent, just a revival. > If anyone has any information on this, or of other > words they know have been used such > as "kalirongan" and "pagkali-kali", again a rough > estimate of when it was used and the > town/province province where it was used would be > appreciated. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:32:16 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Training Gear/Full Contact Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all Need some help Need a good source for Doce Pares Head gear and Vest in LA area Ours are getting old and torn up.(Too much tumping I geuss) Let me know were I may find these fine items Thanks Pak Vic --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Nicholas Stevens" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:53:28 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Anyone Seen the hunted? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I was just wondering what everyone thought of the hunted? I know that the knife stuff was Sayoc Kali and it looked pretty intreasting but does anyone know how much of that was actual Sayoc and how much of it was made just to look good for the camera? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Nick   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stickgrappler108" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:29:51 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Palmstick (bill m) [Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #130] Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello, > From: "bill m" > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:49:36 -0500 > Subject: [Eskrima] Palmstick, rope and spear seminar > > A question came up a while back about palmstick techniques. I'll be teaching > a seminar this coming Saturday in Hartford, CT that will include palmstick. that was my q. thank you for your reply. i regret with my newborn, i will not be able to attend :-(. i am also interested in the rope and spear. > The palmstick is an excellent training tool for the miniflashlight and > closed pocketknife. i carry a minimaglite and wanted to learn more about the palm stick not so much for usage but the history behind it in the various FMA. i found out in Kombatan, it's called dulo-dulo. that's all i've found out so far :-( i neglected to write that i have the excellent vid by Guro Lucaylucay. i have checked your site's vidclip on the palm stick. excellent! > Along with palmstick I'll also be teaching rope and spear techniques. > > For more information, email Dave Everett at: taochi@white-lotus.com or > visit: http://www.white-lotus.com/Special_Events.html i attended a Dr. Gyi seminar hosted by Mr. Everett. unfortunately he had the wrong address on his site but luckily we ran into one of his students (or Mike Fuchs' student) and the student found out where the seminar was held. it was a 2 hr drive and i would've been a little perturbed if i missed Dr. Gyi after driving all that way from NYC. other than that, i found the folks at White Lotus pretty good. very best regards, hyman --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:37:22 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Kali/Eskrima/Arnis Concepts/Principle Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 6 Steve Alagna: I have one simple question.... :-)) What are the principles/concepts that make Kali/Eskrima/Arnis work?? The person utilising them. The arts don't fail you, but the way you have prepared might. That Art of War quote: don't commit yourself to battle until the war is won. The war is with yourself in preparation! I think of the discussion when Tuhon McGrath(quoted below) put forward his ten skills but I argued the need for conditioning. I think these answer your question and a search in the archives will bring up the range of discussion. Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:58:32 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: the word "play" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net -Nat Nickele: On a different, but related thread, I was recently chastised by an idividual for using the words "play" and martial arts in the same sentence. Do you guys take offense to that? We don't separate the two within our training. Maybe why we don't get a lot of injuries. I can understand why people maybe think we belittle the art by doing so but that's their issue. Interesting the variety of interpretations of 'extreme training'. Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Steve VanHarn" To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:56:18 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Krabi Krabong Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Having only a miniscule familiarity (read none) with Krabi Krabong, I was wondering if anyone could give an explanation of the similarities and differences between it and say, a double stick style. One would think that a lot of the movements, although with blades, would have to be similar but then I could only guess. Also, what are some of the specifics on the blades? Length, and what is the purpose of the longer handle if it is done double? Thanks, Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Philip Gelinas" To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] GT Leo Gaje Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje has informed me that he will be in Montreal on July 4,5,6,7, & 8, 2003. He will be covering most of the advanced material we started on last year. Interested persons should contact me at kenbocan@dsuper.net. Thank you. Philip Gelinas Mandala Tuhon , Pekiti Tirsia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/2002 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] d' Name Game To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:19:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Here are some of the earliest historically traceable > words containing kali that are martial arts related. > These are pre-15th century. > kalinan - festival with martial arts > kali - judge (Lapu Lapu held this title) > kalis - sword Could you cite your references? Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:27:06 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Footwork Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Crafty, Could you comment, even if only briefly, on the differences btwn the footwork of Krabi Krabong and what's often seen in various FMAs? Gracias, mk __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Anyone Seen the hunted? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:43:27 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well, from my *very* limited experience in Sayoc, here are the things I remember noticing that struck me as being very Sayoc flavored: What looked like a KISS version of the 3 of 9 right hand, though they only went 1 - 6 (this may, in fact, be another template that I haven't seen yet, but it looked like a slightly modified version of 3 of 9 right). A "Transition Drill" (or something very similar to one). Some very brief "tapping" (though they didn't have blades in their hands). I probably missed a whole slew of things, though, since I'm still pretty much a rank newbie to the Sayoc material. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Nicholas Stevens [mailto:archon_ash@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:53 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Anyone Seen the hunted? Hi all, I was just wondering what everyone thought of the hunted? I know that the knife stuff was Sayoc Kali and it looked pretty intreasting but does anyone know how much of that was actual Sayoc and how much of it was made just to look good for the camera? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Nick   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: the word "play" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:45:09 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Heck no. I use the term a lot myself. And so do my instructors. Check out my article (or maybe it's more of an essay) on it at my website: http://www.impactacademy.com/articles The article is "The 'Play' is the Thing" :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Davies [mailto:Patrick.Davies@subsea7.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:59 AM To: 'eskrima@martialartsresource.net' Subject: [Eskrima] RE: the word "play" -Nat Nickele: On a different, but related thread, I was recently chastised by an idividual for using the words "play" and martial arts in the same sentence. Do you guys take offense to that? We don't separate the two within our training. Maybe why we don't get a lot of injuries. I can understand why people maybe think we belittle the art by doing so but that's their issue. Interesting the variety of interpretations of 'extreme training'. Pat Davies _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest