Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:41:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #138 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Eskrima retreat (Beungood@aol.com) 2. Black Belt article (Steven Lefebvre) 3. Re:Serrada as a blade art (Kes41355@aol.com) 4. Re: Playing The Hard Game (al sardinas) 5. Re: hard training (Kes41355@aol.com) 6. Re: Knife carrying around (Ld470@aol.com) 7. Stick as a bookmark for a blade (B Katz) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 06:50:10 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima retreat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/8/03 5:51:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Filipino Martial Arts Weekend > Second Annual Frederick Retreat > Saturday and Sunday May 17-18, 2003 > Frederick, MD. > Featuring: Guro Nate Defensor > Is this suitable for beginners? What are the Training prerequesties? Thanks, JAck --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:50:37 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Black Belt article Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, I was finally able to get a copy of the May issue of Black Belt Magazine, it is selling out due to the two great articles it contains. The Krabi Krabong article with Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford is a great read! As well as the profile of the Hunted movie and Sayoc Kali!! Of course with any article there are some errors, Tuhon Christopher Sayoc is the current head of the Sayoc International Group, and is the driving force behind Sayoc Kali, not his father Grand Master Bo Sayoc. Who does continue to teach his finger pressure control method in the Philippines. All in all, a great issue for everyone to pick up! Train Hard, it is the Way! Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Bujinkandojo.net www.Sayoc.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:03:06 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re:Serrada as a blade art Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Hmm...Serrada a purely stickfighting art??? Well, here's my 2 cents worth on the topic, FWIW... First of all, Mike Inay stressed to us that Serrada was first and foremost a blade art. Being that Suro had a reputation as a gifted knife fighter among Eskrimadors as far away as Hawaii is testament to his effectiveness with a blade. Now, Mike was also a student of Max Sarmiento, another exceptional blade man, but we were always taught to relate what was being taught with a stick in Serrada to blade work. GM Angel Cabales also was an exceptional knife man, and stories of him and past encounters with blades abound in Serrada (and other) circles. As far as I know, Angel only studied with Felisimo Dizon, and Dizon's De Curedas style evolved into Serrada with little change. With the emphasis I saw placed on blade work in the 25 years I've been studying and practicing Serrada, I would seriously question anyone's credibility who made a statement such as Mr. Wiley did concerning the core of the system. Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima In a message dated 4/7/03 4:37:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > While surfing, I found this interview of Mark Wiley at > http://www.alanorr.co.uk/markwIleyinterview.html. > > What make me upset is that he states that Serrada Eskrima is a purely > stickfighting art not a sword art. As an Inayan Eskrima student I am taught > > that Serrada is a blade art (it comes from Espada y daga). > > I hope that my seniors in the art or some serrada players will clear this > up. > > Best regards > Stephane Fernandez --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:07:30 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Playing The Hard Game Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kristine Strasburger wrote that pain and bruises "are an inevitable part of hard contact play" and "properly considered, pain and bruises should be seen as useful training aids." My question to Kristine is when do the pain and bruises stop? I basically agree with everything you wrote but at some point in time the pain and bruises should stop. The point where TRAINING becomes SKILL. Kristine, I hope you have reached that point or soon will reach it because the older you get the harder it is for the body to recover. I am sure that you don't want pain and bruises to be THE reason for you to end your martial arts training. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:10:51 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: hard training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Kristie, Very nice response, Kristie, I couldn't have said it better myself. You defined the heart and soul of Inayan Eskrima in a most eloquent manner. I had the pleasure of meeting and training with Kristie many years ago...she most definitely knows what she is talking about. She's as talented an Eskrimador as anyone I've met. Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima In a message dated 4/7/03 4:37:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > > I hope it is not too late to put my two cents in > on the topic that Marc (Animal) raised regarding the > more hard-contact play in training. > > If nothing else, I bring to the discussion the > perspective of being female, and approaching the age > of 40; having been involved in the FMA's for over 20 > years now. > > In my own personal training, and in observing > others, I have found that unless a person subjects > themselves to the kind of training that places them > under pressure and adrenaline response, they will not > learn how to make their drills and techniques work in > real life. > > There are a number of ways that this kind of > training can be experienced. You do not always have > to go full-force, or hard-contact to produce an > adrenaline dump. However, I contend that a person > must experience some kind of shocking training in > order to learn how to cope with the shock of being > seriously hit or attacked. > > I am not criticizing anyone who has, for whatever > reason, not done any hard-hitting training. Sometimes > this is the result of their Instructor's style of > teaching (or personal philosophies on this issue), and > sometimes it is a matter of personal training goals or > confidence level. Whatever the case, I am not saying > that you are any less a martial artist for not having > trained in this area. > > One of the creeds of my school, which happens to > come from the Bible, sums up my personal philosophy > about hard-contact training quite succinctly: "As > iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." > (Proverbs 27:17). > > In the spirit of helping each other to become > skilled warriors, able to protect our own life and the > lives of those we love, to the best of our abilities, > I seek out every opportunity to play the hard game > with others of the same mind set. > > For me, it is not about trying to prove that I am > better than someone else. There will always be those > who are better than I. It is all about taking what I > know and have trained in, and putting it to the test. > I want to know that what I am doing will be there for > me under pressure, and there is really no other way to > find that out than to DO it under pressure. > > And, everyone who does this knows that it takes > more than once to work things out. You play hard, you > analyze what you did, you see where you got hit, you > go back to the basics to strengthen your weaknesses, > and you try it again. It is somewhat addictive, as > you see yourself improve. I am no big fan of pain and > bruises, but they are a necessary part of growth in > this area. And really, it is not as bad as it looks. > > I know that some of you will disagree with that > last statement if you misunderstand me to say that > pain and bruises are a necessary part of TRAINING. I > did not say that they are necessary to training in the > FMA's because no doubt there are some schools or > instructors that train their students without > inflicting either in the process. However, they are > an inevitable part of hard-contact play. Properly > considered, pain and bruises should be seen as useful > training aids. > > The bottom line for me is to test myself against > as many different opponents as possible, and test > myself as often as possible. Everyone moves > differently, and brings different strengths to the > game. Even a person who I work out with regularly > will be increasing in skill as I am, so everyone > offers the opportunity to help me to hone my fighting > skills. And for me, becoming a better warrior in > spirit, mind and body is THE reason I invest time in > my martial arts training. > > I write all of this with the utmost respect for > you, Marc. I thoroughly enjoyed the couple of times > that my boys and I spent with you some years ago. The > insight you shared with me then has been invaluable to > my growth as a warrior (as above). Kalani is one of > the nicest and most humble martial artists I have ever > had the pleasure to meet. His quotes are in no way > reflective of a guy with a cocky attitude, and he IS > plenty good at the hard game. > > Best Regards, > > Kristine Strasburger > > p.s. Mike Casto, that was an excellent article you > wrote on the word "player". --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ld470@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:32:50 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knife carrying around To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I always carry at least one folder in my pocket, sometimes two or three depending on where I might be. Dave Ferreira, New Jersey USA --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stick as a bookmark for a blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Take with a grain of salt from a FMA infant... I have studied a bit with a gentleman who was a student of both Guro Inay and GM Cabales. From what I gathered from him is that Serrada has, like all FMA stick systems, its grounding in blade fighting. However, upon further personal investigation of the systems, I cannot see where Cabales Serrada Eskrima is anything other than a stick art. The grip and body mechanics that I was taught needs to be modified somewhat to allow effective use of a blade. I need to stress that this is a result of my own study and NOT what I was taught. The strikes in Serrada, when executed as taught, will result in a blade bcoming firmly lodged in your target. They are inarguably blunt trauma strikes. The Illustrisimo system (as taught by Bakbakan) produces slicing/ slashing motions that are absent in Serrada. These motions allow for a blade to produce the desired effect of a cut or a slash with a reduced instance of the blade becoming lodged in the target. The target that I used as my test medium was a standing dead elm trunk, 32 inches in circumfrence, and in an advanced state of decay. The wood is still tough and stringy, but is rapidly becoming rotted and waterlogged. The blade that I used is a reground Tramontina machete, which now has a bolo shaped blade, 18 3/4 inches long and quite sharp. Im sure that my test is faulty on both a scientific and technique level, but I think that it does show that Serrada has truly evolved into a stick art as opposed to true blade fighting. From a purely objective standpoint, it is difficult to see how the blocking techniques would be very healthy to the edge of your blade. Blocking with the flat is preferred, is it not? Please feel free to disassemble my observations for the benefit of the education of all. Brandon __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest