Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:49:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #141 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Eskrima stick as a bookmark (B Katz) 2. Re: Re: Playing the Hard Game (al sardinas) 3. FMA and "Attack Proof" (Lou) 4. "Extreme Training" (al sardinas) 5. Russian Kettlebell Seminar (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 6. Stick translating to blade (B Katz) 7. Steve Drape (Steven Lefebvre) 8. Re: Serrada as a blade art (Kes41355@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima stick as a bookmark Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net First... Thank you Dave! Your insight has allowed me to rethink some rather worrisome opinions that I had begun to foster. I wholeheartedly agree that if one does not practice with a blade, be it a tactical folder or a barong, one will never gain any skill with a sharp edge. Thumping away at a heavy bag (or a willing training partner) with a stick has a totally different feel than slashing up an old pair of coveralls stuffed with wet news paper. This is my present "training partner" for live blade work. I discovered that my stick grip was woefully inadequate for drawing a knife through the denim. My first cut resulted in my Emerson Mini Commander sailing into the dust and dirt of my back yard. I am beginning to understand the difference in training in an art for practical application and the more esoteric training for the sake of training. (the light goes on!) Any one have any tips for aggressive solo training or involving young kids (at a distance of course) in full or 3/4 speed stick work? Broom handles, maybe? My wife refuses to pick up a stick after recieving a pretty good whack from a piece of padded pvc. She is pretty sure she married a madman. Thanks again, Dave! Brandon __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:38:55 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Re: Playing the Hard Game Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kristine, Mike and David all mention some things that are valid in the area of hard contact training. Kristine your wisdom can definitely be applied to life itself and not just martial arts. And we all want to get better at performing under pressure, applying tactical strategy and sensing the flow and energy of an opponent. However, there is one factor (secret) that no one has mentioned and that is Attitude. If you accept pain and bruises will occur then that is okay. If you refuse to accept it and you have done your homework then pain and bruises should not occur. My instructor, Gat Puno who was never defeated nor was hit on the head during all his matches said before he fought his opponent he knew he was going to win, he knew he was not going to get hurt. The mind controls the body, the Attitude controls the mind. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 05:44:10 -0400 From: Lou To: "eskrima@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [Eskrima] FMA and "Attack Proof" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I recently picked up a book called "Attack Proof" by John Perkins. The majority of techniques are ones that are used in "close in" fighting. Is there any similarity of those techniques and FMA? Thanks in advance for your input. Kevin --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] "Extreme Training" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net David, On the "Extreme Training" thread I will admit that I missed Marc's point because with no offense to Marc, I don't remember reading it. Regarding your definition of "Extreme Training" - going into a bar full of people, calling them names and then fighting your way out, I don't call that "Extreme Training", I call that Stupid!!! But you did write that "Realistically, isn't the avoidance of physical conflict the first option not the last to be considered." I call that Smart!!! Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:45:23 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Russian Kettlebell Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am holding a Russian Kettlebell Seminar this Saturday, April 12. I will be covering techniques that increase strength, cardiovascular/muscular endurance, and flexibility. The use of Russian Kettlebells can benefit martial artists and non-martial artists alike. The Seminar will be on Miami Beach. Email for details, cost, location. Powerfactor71839@aol.com. Come see the Physical training techniques of Speznatz on beautiful Miami Beach! Thanks, Tom Furman RKC --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stick translating to blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jim asked me for examples of what I felt needed to be modified. Fair enough, but I really must reiterate that what I "feel" needs to be modifed might simply be my own personal body structure and mechanics. Having said that, I would first notice that my grip is slightly different when trading stick for blade. With a stick my grip is more akin to that of the bottom hand on a baseball bat; firm, yet limber with my wrist nearly perpendicular to the plane of the stick. I have found that this allows me to at once be fairly quick and still be able to land VERY hard blows. My grip with a blade is more like what one would use with a tennis racket or the top hand on a golf club. In my limited experience of chopping up deadfalls with my home-built "bolo", this seems to allow for greater mobility when applying the sharp edge to the intended target. The sharp edge, after all, is the lever that parts the tissue, not the length of the blade. As for the body mechanics issue, again what feels right for me(having wrecked 11 motorcycles and still suffering from the damage done), might not appeal to all. With the stick, my strikes tend to exibit a relatively rigid wrist and elbow. Most of the motion and power in the strike stemming from movement of my upper body and turning of my hips. This could be a result of my Okinawan Isshin Ryu background. Be that as it may, it "feels" right and is effective. Contrast this to my mechanics with the blade, which tend to be not as "locked", and much more fluid. Could this be a result of relying on the edge of the blade to do the damage? Most of the motion seems to come from the shoulder and the center of the back.. As to the strike of a blade becoming lodged in an opponent, yes it is bad. Simply from a human hydraulics standpoint, your blade is acting like a bandage. If you would recall basic first aid for a serious puncture, (can't think of one more serious than an 18 inch blade stuck in my belly, #5 strike), we are admonished to leave the object in the wound and seek professional medical attention. If you remove the object, profuse bleeding will occur. This of coure is enough if you are trying to end your opponents life, but leaving your blade wedged in his collarbone (#1 or #2), will most certainly prevent you from using that blade to defend yourself against another opponent. I understand that a sword fight in the street is rare in the States, but how far beyond the realm of possibility is it for a Marine engaged in close quarters combat? Strikes one and two, while devastating with a stick (as taught) are less effective as a slash. Not much damage is inflicted by slashing the upper body, aside from possibly detatching a pectoral. The whole point is to end the fight, which is done by letting air into the body and letting blood out, (shock and sanguination). Two final points that I would like to address directly to Jim. 1) I recieved my introduction from a gentleman who learned at the feet of BOTH Suro Inay and GM Cabales, first hand. I will not name him as I did not study with him very long and refuse to drop his name as a way of validating my opinions 2) While dimensionally accurate and safe to use with a human training partner, an aluminum training blade does lack one critical element necessary for realistic training... the sharp edge. Again, these are just observations that I have recorded in my training diary over the last 10 or so months. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:30:19 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Steve Drape Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Mr., Drape, Thanks for the reply. I have just received a note from Tuhon Kayanan, stating that the BB Editor was at fault for any misintepretations and will be clarifing any mistakes in the next issue. Otherwise, it was a great article, and I have enjoyed all the work on your website as well. With Grand Master "Bo" Sayoc, planning to attend this year's Sama Sama, are you planning on coming in as well? Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Sayoc.com www.Bujinkandojo.net _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:20:53 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Serrada as a blade art Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Again, my 2 cents' worth on this debate... It seems that there may be a bit of confusion on this Blade/Stick art thing, as each ensuing post refers to the inability to use Serrada methodology with a sword. As I learned it, Serrada is meant to be used with a knife, a short bladed weapon, and not necessarily a long blade. For me, Serrada works beautifully with a common, everyday street blade, as it was meant to be done. Both GM Cabales and Suro Mike Inay were frighteningly effective with a short blade, and did not vary from their Serrada training when working with a knife. To see Suro Mike wield a blade was to know the terrible effectiveness of a knife in the hands of a master. Kim Satterfield --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest