Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:50:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #146 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: hard training (Patrick Davies) 2. A sincere thank you (B Katz) 3. Re: Re:Serrada as a blade art (Ray White) 4. World Filipino Martial Arts Expo - Bellevue, Washington (Ed Peregrino) 5. stick and blade (rob zerby) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Patrick Davies To: 'eskrima digest' Subject: RE: [Eskrima] hard training Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:24:22 +0100 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 3 From: "David Eke" On the "extreme training" thread I think many people missed Marc's point. .......... I'd be interested in people's definitions of what "extreme training" is......... Points I made earlier in the discussion but again I point back to Tuhon Bill McGraths 12 Skills. Conditioning is part of that but one, imho, that is left out by those who tend NOT to mix it. The difference in what people refer to extreme training is interesting and without knowing more about people then I can't really assume too much. The degrees in what people call extreme training may be what they can realistically measure it against. Marcs background gives him one type of measurement while someone brought up in a totally different environment would have a different measure. That's why I referred to it as testing because that testing is a personal level. What may be a test to one person might be a walk in the park for another. What I can say is that most of the adrenaline rushes you refer to was what I did b4 getting into the martial arts. After being involved in the martial arts my approach changed and instead of being offensive I became defensive. Being on the doors of pubs and clubs it was very rare to actually 'attack' and even if someone refers to pre emptive striking that is still in the defensive mode. Even when one had to engage a group it was always in reason of containing the violence, whereas a streetfighter/hooligan is looking to create as much violence. The bar incite and refers to inciting hostility and was one used to encourage groups out into the open and into a more favourable environment. Anyone remembering the toilet defence discussion on here as few years back should realise that the catalyst for that discussion came from a real incident. A man was using the urinal when someone came behind him and smashed his face against the tiles. Extreme training may be to take it from that moment? Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 05:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] A sincere thank you Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net to all who have helped me with my questions of grip and body mechanics. Your replies have been most enlightening. As for the sailor who seems to be getting a bit put out, I was merely asking questions. I feel that your reproach of my instructor is both narrow minded and uncalled for. As for his thoughts on Marines carring the M-9 bayonet. I was a Marine that piece of gear is worthless. It is heavy, difficult to sharpen and fragile where the handle joins the tang. An illconcieved design on a good day. We (my unit), nearly to a man, all carried rather large knives along the order of the Puma White Hunter and larger. K-bars were only seen on the deuce gear of newbies who carried them out of ignorance and old salts who carried them out of tradition. Look at the cartridge belts of the infantry today and you will find an eclectic mix or Randall RTAKs, Livesay Patrol Machetes, Livesay ATAK, and various other hard use knives. You will find that they all have an overall length approaching 15-18". Serrada stick size, no? I do agree with your training regimen of sparring. It is a wonderful method of teaching the resilience needed to actually engage in a fight. I, however, do not have the luxury of a living, breathing training partned. My son is 8 and not really large enough to spar seriously. My wife refuses. So I am left with my PVC Wing Chun dummy and my dead tree. I have just recently retired as a bouncer of a rather busy topless bar. My skills are those of use not of theory. I have trained for years in several empty hand systems boxing and Okinawan Isshin Ryu to name a couple. My recent exposure to the FMA was not the result of reading a magazine article and deciding that "I can do this". I was seeking advice and information when I posed my origional question. Thanks again to all who offered their help in the past and on this most recent delimma. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ray White" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Serrada as a blade art Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:51:24 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gints, I am no expert on the particulars of Serrada, but my 5 years in FMA under R.Faye, D. Inosanto, Tuhan W. McGrath, taught me that one man's "crap" is anothers very functional truth. If you catch David Whitley's post he has a more complete understanding of the Angle of Attacks, regardless of given #, than yours or the previous one you were criticising... DW post: ":I have been taught that the angles do not represent specific targets as much as they train the delivery of the strike. For example, an angle 1 standing up is delivered along the same trajectory as angle 1 kneeling, squatting , on your back, etc., Whether the weapon you swing is a stick, knife, empty Hand, bottle,sword, dead cat, etc. the target will change depending on your spacial relationship to your opponant. angle one might be the arm, shouler, knee , thigh, chest(if he faces you with his side.)or neck(my favorite). this "aliveness" is one of my favorite things about the FMA. having said that, doesn't the "sword vs. stick" it all come down to awareness? if you got a blunt weapon, break the bad guy, if you got an edged weapon, make him leak." You raised good points, but if you do not leave room for yourself and others to grow, you will undoubtedly miss opportunities that come to you. You may find yourself enjoying your art and training more if you look to encourage rather than criticise. RW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gints Klimanis" To: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Re:Serrada as a blade art > > ???? I don't know who you trained with or who showed you this, but this > > is crap. The hip bone and elbow are not targets. The target for the > > side of the torso(strikes 3 and 4) is between the bottom of the rib cage > > and the top of the hip bone. The target on the weapon hand is between > > the forearm and the end of the hand. The wrist, however, is a very good > > target. Especially with a knife or sword. > > The elbow is also a fine target. I have quite a bit of rattan sparring > video footage with matches ending or severaly disrupted after a shot to the > elbow. Admittedly, nearly all of the shots were at a Serrada #1 level > rather than #3. > > > Actually I am starting to take this as a litmus test to see who knows > > what the hell they are talking about when it comes to Serrada. And in > > all actuality, you are more likely to be in a knife fight than in a > > stick fight. Think about it. How often do you go out with your stick > > strapped to your side? How about a knife in your pocket? > > In all actuality, I believe that unarmed vs. unarmed would be the most > likely, followed by weapon vs. unarmed. In my casual observations, > I don't hear a lot of Serrada players talking about or training the latter. > I agree with training for what is practical in our day. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ed Peregrino" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:31:07 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] World Filipino Martial Arts Expo - Bellevue, Washington Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Folks: This is to follow up on my first email regarding a big event that is going to be held at the end of September in Bellevue, Washington. To help propagate and create brotherhood among all FMA systems, Punong Guro Myrlino Hufana is hosting a big event on September 25-27 in Bellevue, Washington. This event is called “World Filipino Martial Arts Expo” and will have Filipino Grandmasters and Masters. This event will be two days of training seminar and one day of “Laban Laro” or combative arts competition. The Filipino Grandmasters and Masters are as follow: Grandmaster Bobby Taboada Balintawak Escrima Cuentada System, Balintawak International, Charlotte, NC USA Grandmaster Ramiro Estalilla Jr. , Kabaroan Eskrima Fresno, CA USA Grandmaster Conrad Manaois Manaois Eskrima, Cinco Teros Arnis, Kali Jukune Do, Los Angeles, CA USA Grandmaster Bernardo F. Salinas, Sinkatan-Arnis Estrella System, Fort St. John, B.C. Canada Professor Max Pallen, Senkotiros Association, Pallen Martial Arts, San Leandro, CA USA Master Elmer Ybanez, Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System LESKA, Mt. Lake Terrace, WA USA Master Jorge V. Penafiel, Balintawak International (GM Taboada), Cincinnati, OH USA Guro Ariel F. Mosses, Manaois Eskrima MSI, Lameco SOG, Kalis Ilustrisimo, Las Vegas, NV USA Guro Pedro Israel, IMB, Doce Pares, Seattle, WA USA Guro Dino Flores, Lameco SOG, Kalis Ilustrisimo, Eskrima De Campo, Los Angeles, CA USA Guro Bud Balani Jr., Lameco SOG, Kalis Ilustrisimo, Eskrima De Campo, Glendale, CA USA Punong Guro Myrlino P. Hufana, Hufana Traditional Arnis International, Remy Presas Modern Arnis, Bellevue, WA USA Detail information will be made available soon online at www.arnisador.com or flyers will be mailed out soon. Salamat Po, Ed Hufana Traditional Arnis International Bellevue, Washington _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:51:58 -0700 From: "rob zerby" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.eudoramail.com) Subject: [Eskrima] stick and blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net in one of the last posts, i saw a comment concerning alining the impact plane of the stick with the knuckles as a way of understanding/training blade movement. i have heard this from several teachers, and i agree; you can think of the blade while training with the stick. another point would be that the blades in question would generally be considerably dull farming tools, similar to a machete. these would not be kept as sharp as, say, a japanese katana. if the blade is dull (or at least not razor sharp), i would think that a hacking motion, not unlike a stick strike would be appropriate. if you try to slice anything with a well-used machete, you won't have any luck, but you can still split your target with a chop. any thoughts? rob z oakland eskrima club Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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