Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:07:01 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #149 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Hipbone connected to the elbow bone (Q) 2. Warriors-Eskrima Seminar with Pangulong Guro Krishna Godhania in Hannover/Germany (Christian von Praun) 3. Before fighting (Smartfish Direct) 4. Brazilian site on the Arts (Supervirtual) 5. Re: Elbow injury (Kes41355@aol.com) 6. Re: the roots of Serrada training (Kes41355@aol.com) 7. over-extended elbow joint (Stephen Lamade) 8. Re: over-extended elbow joint (lakanmdb@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:23:06 -0700 (GMT) From: Q To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hipbone connected to the elbow bone Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kim wrote: > > >>> ???? I don't know who you trained with or who showed you this, >>> but this is crap. The hip bone and elbow are not targets >> > > > Hi all, Sorry, but this is most definitely not "crap"...the elbow is > a viable target if it happen to be in the "#3 & 4" lines of fire, as > is the hip (if you've ever been whacked on the hip with anything, you > would not dispute this. Interesting stuff. I agree with Kim. There are no kill shots with a stick. There is someone who can always survive them. There are higher percentage shots but rarely can one shot do the job. The head/neck is the only high percentage shot. The 3-4 line is a "weedwacker". While it can certanly be telling especially at head level which few people throw, below the pectorals it is best used to blow away obstructions such as limbs so that the head shot can be opened up. As to stick 3-4 vs. blade 3-4 the blade is obviously targeted above the hip and below the ribs, or at big hunks of meat like a thigh...but that is another discussion. With a stick, and the exception of the rib cage, hitting any thin skin over a bone is very painful and highly effective for a follow-up progressive indirect attack. The hip shot is especially effective if the there is a #1 influence on top of the hip crest. Let your buddy hit you there. Try it you'll like it. Also remeber the release points about an elbow usually attacked empty hand. Those areas hit with a stick can be quite succesful. In any event in real contact/real time there is rarely really good targeting between equal opponants. About as much contact is intentional as incidental and accidental. That is why when you come in to attack or retreat to defend you never just swing once. Regards, carl Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. 4305 Torrance Blvd., Suite 102 Torrance, Ca. 90503 310-371-2337 603-710-6393fax Cosmetic General Dentistry --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:23:01 +0200 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Christian von Praun" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Warriors-Eskrima Seminar with Pangulong Guro Krishna Godhania in Hannover/Germany Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, there will be a Warriors-Eskrima Seminar with Pangulong Guro Krishna Godhania in Hannover/Germany at 28th/29th of June 2003. For more detailed information, please contact Andy Lawrence at webmaster@soshin-do.de Best Regards Christian von Praun --  Warriors-Eskrima philippinische Kampfkunst in Düsseldorf http://www.phma.de/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Smartfish Direct" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:50:27 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] Before fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Sir My friend is writing a fictional story about a Philippine martial arts master and he wants to know what happens before a fight. Do the fighters bow or give any other sign of respect before they fight Regards, Gavan Thornton Smartfish Direct --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:18:39 -0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) From: "Supervirtual" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Brazilian site on the Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mabuhay! It's URL is http://www.sotai.com.br Mad Abe. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:50:32 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Elbow injury Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Gord, Four words, guy...go to the doctor. Kim Satterfield In a message dated 4/17/03 4:50:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > HI everybody, I was wondering if any of the injured or ex-injured could lend > some tips on healing an overextended elbow joint. I am soaking in wood lok > oil as i type this and will be icing it. This inury is a result of an arm > bar and I would like to continue training, but have been told to rest.Any > miracle cures would be appreciated.Gord --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:14:40 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: the roots of Serrada training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jim, Sorry, but I beg to differ. I studied Inayan Serrada, and remain a practitioner of this art after 25 years. I began my studies in 1978, under Garry Bowlds, an Inayan Guro. I continued over the years under 3 more of Suro Mike's Guros, and to this day consider Rob McDonald to be my teacher. I met Suro Mike on a few occasions, trained with him, (Suro remained close to Angel Cabales their whole lives, BTW), and I can say with no hesitation that the elbow and hip were emphasized as viable targets from the very beginning of my training. You are right that no Serrada counters have the elbow and hip as targets, but dude, there is soooooo much more to the art than the counters. You have to start thinking outside of just the counters. The counters are the beginning, the root, but you are expected to grow beyond your basics. When asked what determines the outcome of a fight, my teacher (Rob again) will state, "The one who gets there firstest with the mostest," has the advantage. If I am under attack, I'm going to hit first. If the elbow is sticking out there, I'm gonna whack it. If the hip (pelvic bone) is open, I'm gonna whack it. I've been hit there, I KNOW it hurts to beat the band. What I'm not going to do is wait for the first blow to come, and try to apply a counter. Counter moves are for surprise attacks; if a guy is bearing down on you with (as Mike Tyson so aptly states) "bad intentions," I am sure as hell not going to wait and try to apply a counter, if angling away and whacking the daylights out of any available target will work. I got lucky; Suro Mike was a pragmatic man, he knew what worked, and he knew how to bring out the fighting spirit in his students. I got to train with who I consider to be one of his better students, (Rob) and Rob is a mirror of Suro Mike in spirit...he took us to our limits, he made us work, and reality was always the cornerstone of our training. You say that accuracy is why we train to hit the arm, hand, etc., in the counters. True, and I train my students exactly as I was taught, to train the counters on the arm. BUT, look at the counter and ask yourself, will an attacker stand there with his arm out after throwing a strike at you? Will that target remain available, or will he retract and hit again? Then why train on the arm? There are very valid reasons for this, do you know what they are? This again was a part of my training from the beginning, and the reasons told to us made perfect sense. You tell me what you think the reasons are. One last thing...I'd really like to know who you study Serrada with, just out of curiosity. Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima In a message dated 4/17/03 4:50:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Please read all relevant posts before responding to my comments. What > is crap is that he(Jon) says that he does Serrada and that ,"In Serrada > we often hit the hip bone or the elbow or wrist," This is not > true of Serrada and this is not how it is taught. As far as DW's > comments. I stated that he was partially right, but there are valid > reasons for training to target certain areas with certain strikes. > Accuracy being one of them. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:26:37 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] over-extended elbow joint Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net RE. "HI everybody, I was wondering if any of the injured or ex-injured could lend some tips on healing an overextended elbow joint." Cf. http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4fs8i/biography.htm Email me privately if you're interested. Best, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima Association _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: lakanmdb@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:42:56 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] over-extended elbow joint To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I had a serious elbow injury that I am now coming back from. I had actually chipped the elbow during a dumog session. I continued to train as usual thinking it was just a ding. About 2 weeks later i had finished a training session by hitting tires, and then it happened my elbow felt like someone had started it on fire, the very touching of it was painful. I went to see my physician and low and behold the chip that I suffered became splinters which were moving around in the elbow. I had to have them removed and was unable to use my arm for training for close to 2 months. My guro gave me linaments and ointments he makes and also had me wrap the elbow snuggly after applying the ointments. Also walking around with your arm folded across your body for 2 months really sucks. I guess the main thing is when you feel something isnt right, dont drive through it get it checked, and the only way to heal such things is through time and care of the injury. I am now back as close to 100% as can be expected, after serious injurys one is never back 100% theres always a small loss. Thats why I try to train smarter not harder, when your in your 40's injurys seem to be a little more common and a lot harder to come back from. Take care all and keep swinging Mike B. 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