Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:05:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #156 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. History Channel - Conquest "Unarmed Combat" (Joe Marszalek) 2. Manhattan stabbing incident (Doug Marcaida) 3. Play (Marc Denny) 4. Los Triques Siniwali (Marc Denny) 5. Re: History Channel - Conquest "Unarmed Combat" (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Manhattan stabbing incident (Ray Terry) 7. OFMA (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Marszalek To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] History Channel - Conquest "Unarmed Combat" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The History Channel has a nice show called Conquest. Tonight's show is about Unarmed combat. Here is what the web site has to say about it. Next Airing: Monday, Apr 21 @ 8:30pm ET/PT Unarmed Combat Bodies fly through the air as our team follows wrestling techniques painted on the walls of Egyptian tombs, and looks at Greek wrestling, one of the very earliest and most important sports. We learn how the Greeks invented boxing, and how the Romans developed it for use in the arena. Next, we look at the medieval science of unarmed combat known as "gripping". Finally, we examine ancient Eastern methods that used the body as a deadly weapon. Hosted by actor and fight master Peter Woodward. TV PG ===== Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://www.MartialArtsKoncepts.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Doug Marcaida" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:31:37 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Manhattan stabbing incident Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What's the buzz on this story in NYC? Here are some excerpts from the news report "Cops arrested an out-of-work accountant trained in lethal knife-fighting techniques yesterday in the murder of an East Village bouncer who died enforcing the city's smoking ban." Trained in martial arts Many of the party attendees - including the Chan brothers and Umali - are trained in the Filipino martial art of Eskrima, which uses precision knife blows and deadly weapons to fight enemies. Detectives plan to interview a Manhattan martial arts expert who trained Umali how to kill with a single knife wound, sources said. "Someone trained this guy [Umali] to hit someone in a fatal spot to kill them, and it worked. We want to find him," one police source said. for the complete article visit: http://www.nydailynews.com/04-19-2003/news/story/76758p-70882c.html It made me think about how we as instructors really carry a lot of responsibility when showing our art. There is just no color coating what we do. And it's sad when one of our own uses it without thinking about the ultimate consequences of their action . Was it a life and death thing to take it to the highest level? And what about the instructor? Is he liable for teaching his student how to use a blade? What are the laws covering this? Gumagalang, Douglas Marcaida --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:19:15 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Play Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Just catching up a bit and ran across the thread on Play. From http://www.dogbrothers.com/fight.htm here's something I wrote back in 1998: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The days before the fight are always a powerful crucible. I have a non-martial art teacher who when someone seeks to leave a situation that makes them uncomfortable says, "Whatever you do, keep on being here in this moment." I may not have the quote exactly right, but I hope I have the gist of it. Scientist Konrad Lorenz's book "Behind the Mirror" addresses the evolutionary biology of consciousness. There is a passage in the book wherein he describes how a cat at play will seamlessly string together unrelated behaviors/movements from stalking prey, fighting a rival, bluffing a predator, courtship, killing prey etc. He then points out that the instant that the cat is stressed (e.g. the appearance of a rival) this ability disappears. Many martial arts discuss how there are different mindsets/qualities with which one can defend/fight. Often the names are a bit poetic; Fire, Water, Wind, Rock, Earth, etc. but the point is made that the more realized the fighter is, the better his ability to fluidly shift between them. In the intense adrenal state of a fight, this can be a very good trick to actually do, yet as Lorenz's point about the cat makes clear, the state of Play is the state where this happens best. ("What Is Play?" in evolutionary biological terms is an interesting question in its own right.) Thus, the best fight is where the fight is play. Thus in Dog Brothers Martial Arts we say "Do not have a Way as you Play. Fight the Way you Play. Let your Fight be Play" (c) The Learning that takes place in the adrenal state is some of the deepest and highest that there is. (The adrenal state of course can be triggered by many things, not only immediate physical danger; criticism by loved ones, humiliation, etc etc.) The greater the adrenal state, the profounder the Lea rning. The greater the state of Play, the better the result. The more that one can move in both directions simultaneously, the better. "The greater the dichotomy, the profounder the transformation. Higher consciousness through harder contact." (c) Woof! Guro Crafty --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 05:49:17 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Los Triques Siniwali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Picking up the thread from 3 weeks ago, Steve wrote : "Having only a miniscule familiarity (read none) with Krabi Krabong, I was wondering if anyone could give an explanation of the similarities and differences between it and say, a double stick style. One would think that a lot of the movements, although with blades, would have to be similar but then I could only guess. Also, what are some of the specifics on the blades? Length, and what is the purpose of the longer handle if it is done double? Thanks, Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System ------------------ Guro Crafty, Could you comment, even if only briefly, on the differences btwn the footwork of Krabi Krabong and what's often seen in various FMAs? Gracias, mk ----------------- Well certainly Ajarn Salty Dog would be a better man than I to comment on this, but its looking like he's not available so briefly: For a quick look at some KK take a look at the clip on DBMA#5 with Ajarn Salty at http://www.dogbrothers.com/index1.htm The footage in the clip is single stick but it should give you a taste of the flavor. There is double stick taught in the video. IMHO there are important differences between the two. Amongst them are: KK has active kicking. For most FMA systems kicking is rare and low only. Mid and Hi kicks are considered quasi-suicidal. In KK they are SOP. In single stick fighting virtually every FMA fighter I have ever seen almost always keeps the same foot as the stick hand forward. The only exception that comes to mind was Tom Meadows. In KK single stick the "off lead" (e.g. a righty fighting with the stick in right hand and left foot forward) is quite common. One steps through-- either forwards or backwards. In double stick, in most FMA systems there is weaving ("siniwali" -- did I use this right GP Abon?) whereas in KK there is none. In most FMA systems there is a roof block, but not in KK. Although the Santa Fe clan is the strongest in KK, many of the Dog Brothers now are freely blending KK into what they do, most notably Lonely Dog and True Dog. Although my KK form is pretty awful, I too include important elements from it and in DBMA it is an important strand. While in Europe I shot a video for Budo on blending KK and Kali. Lonely Dog, who is a KK instructor under Ajarn Salty as well as Guro in DBMA taught the KK portion of the video and then in the second half of the video I intro the blending of the two. I will be editing the Budo video in the next few weeks. This blend will be covered in greater depth and with more fight footage in the Double Stick video that we will do for our own DBMA video series. I've taken to calling it "Los Triques" as in "KKK" -- three K's. Woof, Guro Crafty PS: I've cc'd this to Salty so maybe we can get a reply from him as well. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] History Channel - Conquest "Unarmed Combat" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The History Channel has a nice show called Conquest. > Tonight's show is about Unarmed combat. Here is what > the web site has to say about it. imho, Conquest is a great series. I have TiVo record all of the episodes. Excellent info! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Manhattan stabbing incident To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > And what about the instructor? Is he liable for > teaching his student how to use a blade? What are the laws covering this? Common sense would tell us no, of course not. Yet I suspect some attorney will see $-signs and try this one in court... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "jay de leon" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:55:39 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] OFMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am a full-fledged but active member of the OFMA (Old Farts Martial Arts). Ironically, I find myself doing more of the things I used to hate doing, and less of the things I used to enjoy doing. MORE : running, free weights training, and stretching (daily on a WorldBlackBelt DynaFlex stretching machine); lots of free form training in empty hands and weapons--shadow kickboxing, rompilon, etc. LESS : heavy bag training, full power equipment drills, heavy contact sparring. For myself, if I can maintain the following, my body should be good for a few more miles : (1) flexibility (2) wind/aerobics - includes weight control and endurance (3) timing - this is what working out with students is for--fodder for endless drills to keep your timing and reaction time sharp. In general, the formula is heavy on form and conditioning, and light on any contact with any equipment, weapon or somebody else's body part. Jay de Leon _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! 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