Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:18:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #161 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Stick in the rear (Q) 2. NYC Incident (Steven Lefebvre) 3. laring (Steve VanHarn) 4. Re: laring (Ray Terry) 5. Re: laring (IGreaves@aol.com) 6. Re: laring (braulio agudelo) 7. Re: NYC Incident (barry meadows) 8. re: guro steve lamade & the nyc murder (rob mulligan) 9. elbow injury (gordon walker) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:23:35 -0700 (GMT) From: Q To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stick in the rear Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve wrote: << We stress low kicks however practice high kick very frequently and try to fit them in our sparring. I fight with my stick in the opposite(rear) hand quite often. I am frankly surprised by this observation. I never give it much thought. I guess I do tend to favor the lead hand/foot but I would guess it to be about 60/40 depending on what I want to work on and how my opponent is fighting. If he is working distance I will tend to work stick in the lead hand but if he is fighting close I will often switch feet. Again, I never give it much direct thought and don't let it limit me. Comments anyone? Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System>> Steve, I echo Crafty's thoughts on this however, we come from a very similar lineage and know many of the same people and live and train in the same area and shared classes with Guro I. We may be seeing an aberation due to our location. That aside I prefer the false lead under all conditions I.E. stick in the rear. I have never been officially taught stick in rear but taught convetionally. However being a compilation of many arts personally I am very willing to give up my stick for a "bridge". So I prefer to have the live hand in play and it is easiest done with that hand forward. Additionally, I have seen many people take huge single angular shots and keep coming. I am a fan of progressive attacks accomplished on multiple lines. Similarly when the dagger comes into play weapons are equalized. Footwork mobility is enhanced when centered. I think many have a false sence of security that when the power goes up the lead hand lead stick become more promenent and people tend to get "stiff". They paralysed with fear,lack mobiltiy and get hit. Lead hand lead stick gives them distance which equals mental percieved safety. But I say at the moment of impact while driving your car, pushing yourself back in your seat and turning your head does absolutely no good. You are going to hit the other car just as hard. Not locking you brakes and trying to steer around an impact is a much better option as is staying loose and centered with mobility. Regards, Carl Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. 4305 Torrance Blvd., Suite 102 Torrance, Ca. 90503 310-371-2337 603-710-6393fax Cosmetic General Dentistry --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:29:03 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] NYC Incident Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Barry, Your explaination makes more sense now. Can you remember the movie "Natural Born Killers" and how criminal acts committed after the movie were linked back to it? It is a shame that so many people would like us to believe that there should be no personal responsibility in our actions. It should always be an environmental thing, or they were influenced by a movie, their parents, their faith etc. not that they made a "bad decision"!! I am always harping on my students about the responsibilty they have, if they are carrying a concealed weapon, or have to defend themselves, or a loved one, and the potential ramifications of legal actions for their actions. I am sure that most other Instructors do the same (or at least I hope they do). As well try to weed out the potential "bad apple" that may exist in a training group. Of course nothing is perfect, and an individual you may train who seems the most stable, model person, may in a moment of irresponsibility (under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or family pressure) act out in a manner that can look bad upon the community of martial arts practitioners, and the arts we practice. All the best Guro Steve L. www.Bujinkandojo.net www.Sayoc.com _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steve VanHarn" To: "Eskrima Digest" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:04:19 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] laring Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray asked: What shape blade does a laring have? The best I can describe it in words would be a two handed Chinese broadsword. The handle is inline with the center, not curved like some Chinese blades though and the tip is inline with the center as well. There is a spike/hook on the spine similar to some Kampilaan but a little farther back and used for similar purposes. The handle is roughly 9". Where the blade inserts the handle is about 2" wide and the widest part(near the hook) is about 4". I can send you a pic if you'd like. Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] laring To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Ray asked: > What shape blade does a laring have? > > The best I can describe it in words would be a two handed Chinese > broadsword. The handle is inline with the center, not curved like some > Chinese blades though and the tip is inline with the center as well. There > is a spike/hook on the spine similar to some Kampilaan but a little farther > back and used for similar purposes. The handle is roughly 9". Where the > blade inserts the handle is about 2" wide and the widest part(near the hook) > is about 4". Is it a different version of kampilan? > I can send you a pic if you'd like. Sure. I'd love to see it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: IGreaves@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:28:43 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] laring To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve: Could we all see that picture? The laring is an elusive sword to find. How old is your example? Ian. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: braulio agudelo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] laring To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That's funny Ian, I just emailed the guy asking for a pic. Did not know you are on the digest. Braulio --- IGreaves@aol.com wrote: > Steve: > > Could we all see that picture? The laring is an > elusive sword to find. How > old is your example? > > Ian. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] NYC Incident Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:54:15 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve, I totally agree.It seems some people have a natual diversion to accepting responsibility. Especially those who commit a serious crime. Barry >From: "Steven Lefebvre" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] NYC Incident >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:29:03 +0000 > >Hello Barry, > >Your explaination makes more sense now. Can you remember the movie "Natural >Born Killers" and how criminal acts committed after the movie were linked >back to it? It is a shame that so many people would like us to believe that >there should be no personal responsibility in our actions. It should always >be an environmental thing, or they were influenced by a movie, their >parents, their faith etc. not that they made a "bad decision"!! I am always >harping on my students about the responsibilty they have, if they are >carrying a concealed weapon, or have to defend themselves, or a loved one, >and the potential ramifications of legal actions for their actions. I am >sure that most other Instructors do the same (or at least I hope they do). >As well try to weed out the potential "bad apple" that may exist in a >training group. Of course nothing is perfect, and an individual you may >train who seems the most stable, model person, may in a moment of >irresponsibility (under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or family >pressure) act out in a manner that can look bad upon the community of >martial arts practitioners, and the arts we practice. > >All the best > >Guro Steve L. >www.Bujinkandojo.net >www.Sayoc.com > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:39:20 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] re: guro steve lamade & the nyc murder Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is a follow up to my own post and that of Guro Steve Lamade. Guro Steve admits that his analogy to the murder and a hunting accident is less than perfect. With all due respect, my take on it is this: The killer had to complete 6 actions, 1: carry a knife to a bar 2: get drunk in that bar 3: get into a fight (not even HIS fight) 4: fish the knife out of his pocket 5: open it (assuming it was a tactical folder or a balisong as most of us use) 6: stab another human in the groin. If I'm right, this means he had 6 chances to NOT kill the bouncer. Any rational person would have stopped before at least one of those actions, but of course he wasn't rational, he was DRUNK. That was his biggest mistake, but there still were 5 more chances  for him to retreat from his actions. To compare this to a hunting accident is losing sight of  all the chances he had not to do what he did, and all the choices he made. He DID make choices. WRONG choices. 6 wrong choices. That's not a hunting accident. That's an alcohol fueled act of stupidity that ruined a whole lot of lives. My question again is: Have any of us put ourselves in that position? That was my point in the first post. Chances and choices and and what we do with them is what clears paths of our lives.                                Guro Rob Mulligan                               Queens, NY                                         Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] elbow injury Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net HI All, I am healing well and was able to do chin ups today.I wish to thank Steve Lamade, Gat Puno Baet, and Guro Crafty for their posts and information regarding injury rehab.I went to the chiropractor and he gave me an adjustment and some acupuncture. There is a lot of scar tissue builtup on the inside of my arm. He recommends tying the ligaments down with a two inch section of tape just underneath the elbow joint on the forearm, while training. This will hopefully facilitate me being able to participate in a seminar this weekend. Seems these injuries always happen before seminars.There should be a ban on seminars. (he he)I would also like to put in an ad for a escrimadora....but the girlfriend might hear it through the grapevine. Trained or not, she will hurt me.Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest