Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:52:01 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #167 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. the knife (David Eke) 2. F.M.A. in England (Weirdwolf) 3. Drinking and Carrying a Knife (Francis Serrano) 4. Shivs 'n Suds (Buz Grover) 5. Hard Core training (rocky pasiwk) 6. Kinamutai (Nat Nickele) 7. [The_Dojang] The Knife Gallery in Insa-Dong, Seoul (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:18:22 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] the knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >In the Inayan school, we train very heavily in >unarmed against weapons (of all kinds), and do this >training against both single and multiple opponents. >Serrada is our primary foundation, and it works most >excellently whether one has a weapon or does not. Mmmm, what odds would people give an unarmed person (no matter how well trained) against multiple armed opponents that REALLY want to do them harm. I'd be interested in people on the list giving their estimates of percentage success rates with regards unarmed against armed (knife) techniques they have learnt. The more time I've spent playing with knives the less chance I give myself in a real situation. I don't think I'm any slouch but I'd rate myself at around 5 to 10 percent. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Weirdwolf" To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:09:46 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] F.M.A. in England Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net First of all I'd like to say hello to everybody and I've enjoyed reading the list, Now to business, I'm interested in getting involved in F.M.A. but am having trouble finding an instructor in my area. I've studied various Japanese arts for around 15 years but I suffer from arthritis and it has really put a crimp on my Ju Jutsu >;-Þ Has anybody got any information on a group in the Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire area of England? I did some courses with a bloke called Martin Smith a few years back but I can't seem to find any info that's up to date. Thanks in advance for any replies. Ted --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:44:50 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Francis Serrano" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Drinking and Carrying a Knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Fellow Artist, As a person who does carry a blade and frequent a club or two am not drawn away from these places eventhough I do wield a knife. I guess because as any practicioner knows that the "true" weapon is the person not the knife. Most clubs that I go to does not permit any weapons in their clubs so each man" (why just the guys I don't know) to a metal detector and a pat down. But I do not feel less safe without my knife for I make the knife dangerous and if I go to places where liquor will be consumed then I must know when and where is my limits and have enough discipline to control myself. Just food for thought... Gumagalang, Francis S. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif] --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:36:55 -0400 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Shivs 'n Suds Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding whether or not to carry a blade in a bar . . . my .02 is if you can't trust yourself to toss back a couple with a knife in your pocket then you'd best not do any public drinking "unarmed" either. As I understand 'em the FMAs are about using what's at hand to get the job done. In any bar I've ever been in there has always been plenty of stuff lying around which could be used in an improvisational manner: bottles, ashtrays, chairs, that big steel puck from the bowling machine stuffed in a sock, and so on. Indeed, back when I was young and stupid it seems like I spent several formative years leaning against a wall with a pool cue in hand. Think the bottom line is if you're looking for trouble you're going to find it regardless of what's in your pockets. My sense is folks who've trained in a dedicated manner for several years--call it most of this list--have a pretty good sense of their limits including whether they can imbibe intelligently. From there it gets murkier, where you go, who you go with, the kind crowd, what the drink special is, etc can coalesce unpredictably. Someone earlier mentioned "situational awareness," Animal has published a lot about social contracts and the dynamics of ugly situations, most everyone has that internal antenna that gets to quivering when the vibe turns, all can come in handy when things get interesting in a bar or anywhere else, for that matter. Guess I see bars as a distillation, so to speak, of society as a whole. If you can't operate in one you'll have trouble in the other, whatever your carry habits are. Since the Buck model 110 I first carried in the early '70s I've nearly always had something sharp at hand; about the same time I began developing a taste for stouts, ales, and well crafted lagers. I've run into problems in bars over the years, probably at about the same rate I've run into 'em at work or generally out and about. Haven't been hauled off in handcuffs yet and I feel naked without a knife so I don't expect I'll be changing my habits anytime soon. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:14:51 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Hard Core training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just catching up on the past month or so posts. Thought I'd give my 2 scents on the hard core training stuff. The following is not meant to be taken as any form of bragging or to present some sort of tough guy image. It is simply a basic description of the type of training and mind set I had when I was younger, and a little dumber. And maybe others will think twice before they take the same path. I started training in Tang Soo Do in 1972 for my sixth birthday my brother signed me up, much to the dismay of my father who didn't have much use for Karate. But I saw a Bruce Lee movie and just had to learn to kick and jump and scream. I also started to box at the Wedel community center where my dad on occasion and one of his best friend's coached boxing. Back then at least here in Michigan there was no such thing as a kiddy blackbelt, so I received my 1st gup red belt at the age of 9 or 10 and stayed that rank until I was 16. At 16 I was the youngest person at that time to test for a black belt ( midnight blue ) under Dale Douilard , the first American to bring TSD to the U.S. And the only reason I was able to do that was I forced him to test me by beating on his adult blackbelts. Between my boxing skills, and the Ukrainian & Katch fighting that I learned from my dad, and the fact that I was a very well built strong 16yr old most of the adult blackbelts couldn't beat me and I was making them look bad, so they decided to test me. In 1974 when I was first introduced to Pekiti Tersia Arnez as they pronounced it back then, I trained with a guy named Roberto Ancog who liked to make even the kids fight with very little armor and real sticks. In 1975 my father, who wanted a peace of Roberto after he heard rumor that Roberto wanted us to fight for real with no pads for rank, yanked me out of that class, which was renting space from a Karate Master friend of my fathers Ray Sells ( who kicked Roberto out). In 1975 when I first met Remy Presas I attended every seminar my dad or Brother would take me too, but since Remy wasn't local I started training in Kali with a Wing Chun Do guy in Monroe Michigan. He was pretty hard core and we banged around a lot. About the time I got my blackbelt in TSD I started training at a place in Taylor Mich. everyone called the Animal house, because they allowed full contact to the body and light to the face , but they did not allow safety equipment of any kind. When I was 17 I lied about my age and had 3 sanctioned pro kickboxing matches before they found out my age and threatened to sue my father or something like that, of course he had no I deal what I had done, thought he was going to kill me :-). In 1982 Remy introduced me to Gm Buot and I started training in Balintawak. In 1984 2 weeks after I graduated high school I left for Europe, I gave at that time one of the largest Modern Arnis seminars in Sweden prepping the way for GM Presas 6 months later, I also found that In Amsterdam they had many a fighting circles and tournaments that allowed me to test my range of training, from kicking, to punching to grappling, this type of fighting was not yet allowed in the U.S I loved it. You could fight 3 to 5 times a night if you didn't get beat up and make what I thought was good money back then. ( Like I said I was kinda dumb) Remy didn't like me doing it at all. He didn't like the Pekiti Style full contact stick fighting or the empty hand fighting I was doing. For the life of me I couldn't understand why. Many in the martial arts community thought I was a punk, and cocky, I was often quick to show a person why their stuff wouldn't work in a real fight, which made me quite unpopular with the traditional guys. I always had the opinion that the harder you fought the more you would be respected and the more you would understand what real fighting was all about, this is why I dabbled in bouncing, some bodyguard work and I even worked for a couple of not so savory types, that allowed me from time to time to experience real life applications. Well now at the ripe old age of 36 and now the father of 2 and a 3rd on the way I look back at these things and I realize that, I spent much of my youth always trying to prove myself to others. I still believe that occasional hard realistic type training is important so that an individual can see how they will respond in real life. I just saw a tape on I think its Mark Macyoungs main man, Payton Quinn, I liked his out look on things, plus he is built chunky like me :-) But the hard core banging and abuse to your body needs to be kept to a minimum, unless you make some very good money from it. I have had umpteen broken and fractured ribs. my left wrist broke twice, my jaw fractured twice, my left shoulder dislocated 2 or 3 times, same with my right. Who knows who many broken toes and fingers, nose, a cracked cheek bone and more. And guess what its all catching up with me, I have serious range of movement limitation on my left side rib cage, my left wrist has a date with a surgeon, my jaw clicks and my back!! Well if you have ever seen that movie I think its North Dallas Forty with Nick Noltie, when he gets out of bed and his back and neck crack about 20 times and it takes him about 10 minutes to get out of bed, well that's me in a nut shell. I find myself now playing with a little bit of Hsing I and Tai Chi, to help maybe fix some things. Tom Bisio years ago told me that Hsing I helped him regain a lot of his mobility that the hard banging had taken away. For what its worth if you play hard you are going to get hit, no ifs ands or buts about it,and its going to hurt, if you believe anything different I have some great ocean front property in Ohio for sale. And however much it hurts now, years down the road it will hurt much more. Now I am not saying you shouldn't push yourself just be careful and make sure its worth it. For many of the newbies out there think long and hard before you jump into the hard core training stuff, the trade off often isn't worth it. Sorry So Long. I know I am still considered young in the realm of martial arts, but believe me my advise comes from experience. Rocky Pasiwk --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kinamutai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Have any of you all ever heard of Kinamutai? I found a bit on the internet, but nothing super informative. It seems like a martial art devoted to biting. Is that all there is to it? My girlfriend just rolled her eyes when I enthusiastally told her about it. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOOD! :P Thanks, Nat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] [The_Dojang] The Knife Gallery in Insa-Dong, Seoul Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Of possible interest. Forwarding from the KMA list... ====================================================== Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:23:39 -0400 (EDT) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The Knife Gallery in Insa-Dong, Seoul List-Post: List-Subscribe: , An article in the Korea Herald today looks at the Knife Gallery in Insa-Dong. The reporting in Korea is pretty peculiar and reporters have been known to edit and print statements entirely out of context or just fabricate them whole-cloth so I am not sure if some of the farcical sword facts are the real opinions of the store owners or just crap added by the writer to flesh out the article. The url for the article is currently: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2003/04/29/200304290026.asp The piece appeared on page 9 of the Korea Herald, in the Living/Arts section, on Tuesday, April 29th, 2003. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest