Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:01:48 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #168 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Kinamutai (Mike Casto) 2. checking hand (gordon walker) 3. Re: Hard Core training (barry meadows) 4. Always Armed. (Seraksatu@aol.com) 5. Guro D. Rutano seminar (gordon walker) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kinamutai Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:35:29 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Some say it's a separate entity. Some say it's just a single aspect of various systems. Some say it's a load of malarkey. It's a pretty controversial topic in some circles. However, what it is is actually pinching ... which may be done with fingers, toes, teeth, or weapons. It is most often used (at least in my experience) during grappling. It is used to create openings. Openings to get a lock. Openings to escape a lock. It is sometimes used to enhance the pain of a technique but is most often used as a distraction to open a hole for a lock, choke, disarm, strike, etc. or to prevent someone from thinking about countering or to distract them from your attack somewhere else. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Nat Nickele [mailto:natnickele@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 7:43 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kinamutai Have any of you all ever heard of Kinamutai? I found a bit on the internet, but nothing super informative. It seems like a martial art devoted to biting. Is that all there is to it? My girlfriend just rolled her eyes when I enthusiastally told her about it. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOOD! :P Thanks, Nat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] checking hand Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all,I drew a blank when asked about the role of the checking hand the other day. My answer at that moment was, reinforcement for the knife hand when blocking, adhesion point, and barrier to further slashes coming after the initial contact. I think it might also be used offensively, of course. I think I am right, but would appreciate another point of view. Sincerely,GordP.s. I will check the archives, if I can find them. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hard Core training Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:20:30 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky, Sounds like you have done some good training. Sorry to hear about all the injuries though. Wouldnt you say though that you have gained more than you have lost from your experiences? Injuries included. I would think that you are far more aware of your personal limitations and strengths due to your past. I dont know anyone who is getting older that dosnt have problems of some kind.I dont want to sound corney but a warriors path has its problems but it also pays its dividends. I'm 43.I also have a lot of aches and pains due to some intense stuff that I've done over the years. Sometimes its funny to listen to all the popping and cracking as I role over in bed.Thats the funny part.But not the pain that wakes me. But would I change anything? No,I wouldnt.Sure,hindsite is 20/20.Id try to avoid injuries better.But I dont know any athelet in any field that wouldnt say that. "Martial arts" isnt sewing or stiching,it also isnt trying to become a death machine.Balance is a beautiful word.More so as you get older. Moderation with an ocassional bout of insanity would best describe my training now.I MUST listen to my body.It isnt an option now that age is a large factor.And getting larger of corse. Will I be 60 or 70 and still bashing around? Probly not but Lord willing I do plan to train as "realisticly" as my age and injuries will allow.Anything less and I feel like I would be cheating myself. It just comes down to enjoying it.If I didnt enjoy trying to continue to make small improvements in mind and body I would take up biking or some other thing. Ive seen some older men(and women) in MA's that are VERY impressive at any age. When I was in L.A. a few years ago I ws impressed that Dan Inosanto taught a Silat class then an advanced Kali class then afterwards went to an intense Capoiea class himself.From what I hear this is his standard practice.And I probly dont know the half of it.Dan was 63 then. There are many who I dont mention but are just as impressive. The key here is that they never abandoned their training and just pontificated from the side line.They remained commited to their goals. Maybe this was a little off subject but not by much. One word: KAIZEN (Japenese) Im not gonna tell you what it means.Look it up. Best of luck. Barry Meadows >From: "rocky pasiwk" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Hard Core training >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:14:51 -0400 > >Just catching up on the past month or so posts. Thought I'd give my 2 >scents >on the hard core training stuff. > >The following is not meant to be taken as any form of bragging or to >present >some sort of tough guy image. It is simply a basic description of the type >of training and mind set I had when I was younger, and a little dumber. And >maybe others will think twice before they take the same path. > > I started training in Tang Soo Do in 1972 for my sixth birthday my >brother >signed me up, much to the dismay of my father who didn't have much use for >Karate. But I saw a Bruce Lee movie and just had to learn to kick and jump >and scream. I also started to box at the Wedel community center where my >dad >on occasion and one of his best friend's coached boxing. Back then at least >here in Michigan there was no such thing as a kiddy blackbelt, so I >received >my 1st gup red belt at the age of 9 or 10 and stayed that rank until I was >16. At 16 I was the youngest person at that time to test for a black belt >( midnight blue ) under Dale Douilard , the first American to bring TSD to >the U.S. And the only reason I was able to do that was I forced him to test >me by beating on his adult blackbelts. Between my boxing skills, and the >Ukrainian & Katch fighting that I learned from my dad, and the fact that I >was a very well built strong 16yr old most of the adult blackbelts couldn't >beat me and I was making them look bad, so they decided to test me. In 1974 >when I was first introduced to Pekiti Tersia Arnez as they pronounced it >back then, I trained with a guy named Roberto Ancog who liked to make even >the kids fight with very little armor and real sticks. In 1975 my father, >who wanted a peace of Roberto after he heard rumor that Roberto wanted us >to >fight for real with no pads for rank, yanked me out of that class, which >was renting space from a Karate Master friend of my fathers Ray Sells ( who >kicked Roberto out). In 1975 when I first met Remy Presas I attended every >seminar my dad or Brother would take me too, but since Remy wasn't local I >started training in Kali with a Wing Chun Do guy in Monroe Michigan. He was >pretty hard core and we banged around a lot. About the time I got my >blackbelt in TSD I started training at a place in Taylor Mich. everyone >called the Animal house, because they allowed full contact to the body and >light to the face , but they did not allow safety equipment of any kind. >When I was 17 I lied about my age and had 3 sanctioned pro kickboxing >matches before they found out my age and threatened to sue my father or >something like that, of course he had no I deal what I had done, thought he >was going to kill me :-). In 1982 Remy introduced me to Gm Buot and I >started training in Balintawak. In 1984 2 weeks after I graduated high >school I left for Europe, I gave at that time one of the largest Modern >Arnis seminars in Sweden prepping the way for GM Presas 6 months later, I >also found that In Amsterdam they had many a fighting circles and >tournaments that allowed me to test my range of training, from kicking, to >punching to grappling, this type of fighting was not yet allowed in the U.S >I loved it. You could fight 3 to 5 times a night if you didn't get beat up >and make what I thought was good money back then. ( Like I said I was kinda >dumb) Remy didn't like me doing it at all. He didn't like the Pekiti Style >full contact stick fighting or the empty hand fighting I was doing. For the >life of me I couldn't understand why. > > Many in the martial arts community thought I was a punk, and cocky, I >was >often quick to show a person why their stuff wouldn't work in a real fight, >which made me quite unpopular with the traditional guys. I always had the >opinion that the harder you fought the more you would be respected and the >more you would understand what real fighting was all about, this is why I >dabbled in bouncing, some bodyguard work and I even worked for a couple of >not so savory types, that allowed me from time to time to experience real >life applications. > >Well now at the ripe old age of 36 and now the father of 2 and a 3rd on the >way I look back at these things and I realize that, I spent much of my >youth >always trying to prove myself to others. I still believe that occasional >hard realistic type training is important so that an individual can see how >they will respond in real life. I just saw a tape on I think its Mark >Macyoungs main man, Payton Quinn, I liked his out look on things, plus he >is >built chunky like me :-) But the hard core banging and abuse to your body >needs to be kept to a minimum, unless you make some very good money from >it. >I have had umpteen broken and fractured ribs. my left wrist broke twice, my >jaw fractured twice, my left shoulder dislocated 2 or 3 times, same with my >right. Who knows who many broken toes and fingers, nose, a cracked cheek >bone and more. And guess what its all catching up with me, I have serious >range of movement limitation on my left side rib cage, my left wrist has a >date with a surgeon, my jaw clicks and my back!! Well if you have ever seen >that movie I think its North Dallas Forty with Nick Noltie, when he gets >out >of bed and his back and neck crack about 20 times and it takes him about 10 >minutes to get out of bed, well that's me in a nut shell. I find myself now >playing with a little bit of Hsing I and Tai Chi, to help maybe fix some >things. Tom Bisio years ago told me that Hsing I helped him regain a lot of >his mobility that the hard banging had taken away. > > For what its worth if you play hard you are going to get hit, no ifs ands >or buts about it,and its going to hurt, if you believe anything different I >have some great ocean front property in Ohio for sale. And however much it >hurts now, years down the road it will hurt much more. Now I am not saying >you shouldn't push yourself just be careful and make sure its worth it. > >For many of the newbies out there think long and hard before you jump into >the hard core training stuff, the trade off often isn't worth it. > >Sorry So Long. I know I am still considered young in the realm of martial >arts, but believe me my advise comes from experience. > >Rocky Pasiwk >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:25:04 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Always Armed. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat, This is interesting > Mmmm, what odds would people give an unarmed person (no matter how well > trained) against multiple armed opponents that REALLY want to do them > harm. << percentage > success rates with regards unarmed against armed (knife) techniques they > have learnt. > < knives the less chance I give myself > in a real situation. I don't think << I'm any slouch but I'd rate myself at around 5 to 10 percent. > << To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guro D. Rutano seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all,Guro Dan Rutano will be holding a seminar May 6, at the Dragon's Den martial arts supply and school in Calgary, Alberta, Canada Please contact Dragons Den for further info at info@dragonsden.net Sincerely, Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! 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