Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:08:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #170 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Pavel's Martial Power Videos (Mike aka Shugendo) 2. RE: Pavel's Martial Power Videos (Mike Casto) 3. Re: Old geezer's lament (Ray Terry) 4. Re: Re- Barry M & knife laws (Ray Terry) 5. Legalease of Knifes (Francis Serrano) 6. Re: Old geezer's lament (barry meadows) 7. Re: Re- Barry M & knife laws (barry meadows) 8. Re: Kinamutai (Ray White) 9. empty hand vs. knife (Stephen Lamade) 10. Bar = Society (Khalkee@netscape.net) 11. Aches (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 12. Checking hand (Musilat@aol.com) 13. Kinamutai (Musilat@aol.com) 14. RE: Kinamutai (Mike Casto) 15. knife training (David Eke) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike aka Shugendo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:06:56 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Pavel's Martial Power Videos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To All: I know this is a little of topic for ED but I was wondering if anyone has invested in Pavel Tsarsouline's Martial Power videos.  I'm always interested in learning new material for MA's and conditioning and I was wondering if it was worth the almost $400 investment... Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael A. Krivka Training Director, Martial Arts Koncepts Phone: 301/404-2571 or 301/963-6520 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Pavel's Martial Power Videos Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:19:12 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've not seen the vids. A friend of mine swears by them, though. He loaned me a few of Pavel's books and, in my estimation, the man really knows what he's talking about. I don't do a lot of exercise outside of my MA training, but I've started adding some of the stuff in Pavel's books into my exercises ... and have had good results. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike aka Shugendo [mailto:shugendo@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:07 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Pavel's Martial Power Videos To All: I know this is a little of topic for ED but I was wondering if anyone has invested in Pavel Tsarsouline's Martial Power videos.  I'm always interested in learning new material for MA's and conditioning and I was wondering if it was worth the almost $400 investment... Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael A. Krivka Training Director, Martial Arts Koncepts Phone: 301/404-2571 or 301/963-6520 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Old geezer's lament To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Well now at the ripe old age of 36 > > See you in 14 years Rock! Rock is just a young'n... Better living through chemistry (i.e. daily pain pills help). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re- Barry M & knife laws To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > You guys that are fond of carring knifes, I don't know the laws on the Left > Coast or else where, but did you know in Michigan it actually varies from > city to city. What is legal in Dearborn Hgts, might get your butt put in > jail in Dearborn. Just something to think about. They vary here, too. But -typically- it isn't the carry of a 3" folder that will get a normal person in trouble. It is using... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:38:43 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Francis Serrano" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Legalease of Knifes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I completely agree with Nat... The intent of walking into a bar with a knife is something we all have to think twice about. I personally do not feel "naked" without a knife. I carry a simple pocket knife I got at La Bufadora in Encinada. (I was on vacation and it was cheap. What can I say I'm Filipino we always look for deals) but I do think of the area I am going to. If I'm going to Magic Mountain for example with some kids then yes I would. But if I am going to Magic Mountain with some friends reletively close to my age then no. For I am more protective when it comes to kids then I would people I know that can take care of themselves. Now in a club propably not for I am afraid of getting pick pockets. Some clubs do get that crouded and a shiny object in ones pocket might be to much of a temptation. So I guess the best advice I can give in this subject is to use your BRAIN... Look at a situation and go from there. If you can't handle liquor than maybe you shouldn't drink... Francis S. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Old geezer's lament Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:13:13 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My middle name is ADVIL !!!!lol Barry >From: Ray Terry >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Old geezer's lament >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Well now at the ripe old age of 36 > > > > See you in 14 years Rock! > >Rock is just a young'n... >Better living through chemistry (i.e. daily pain pills help). > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re- Barry M & knife laws Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:16:36 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky, No not at all,feel free.As a matter of fact I stole it from someone else. I also agree with that when you are young sometimes it's the oppisite,,Insanity with occasional moderation!! Barry >From: "rocky pasiwk" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Re- Barry M & knife laws >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:24:45 -0400 > >Barry M Wrote: > > >"Martial arts" isnt sewing or stiching,it also isnt trying to >become a > >death machine.Balance is a beautiful word.More so as you >get older. > > "Moderation with an ocassional bout of insanity would best >describe >my > >training now" > >I like the Moderation with a bout of sanity thing do you mind if I quote it >:-) > > As you say hind sight is 20/20, and no I wouldn't change everything, I >guess what I was getting at was I probably wouldn't bang so hard just to >prove myself to others, or to as they say follow the crowd. As you say >moderation with bouts of insanity instead of vice versa. > > You guys that are fond of carring knifes, I don't know the laws on the >Left >Coast or else where, but did you know in Michigan it actually varies from >city to city. What is legal in Dearborn Hgts, might get your butt put in >jail in Dearborn. Just something to think about. > >Rocky Pasiwk >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Ray White" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kinamutai Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:26:53 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kinamuti is a philipine skill set that focuses on biting. The applications are very effective, but biting flesh and the mingling of blood from the wounds can cause some to worry about AIDS and Hepititis. Paul Vunak has a video available. That is the only media I have seen on it. Ray www.abolutejkd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nat Nickele" To: Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Kinamutai > Have any of you all ever heard of Kinamutai? I found > a bit on the internet, but nothing super informative. > It seems like a martial art devoted to biting. Is > that all there is to it? > My girlfriend just rolled her eyes when I > enthusiastally told her about it. > SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOOD! :P > Thanks, > Nat > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:55:00 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] empty hand vs. knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Slim to none" sounds about right. Look at it this way: 1. One-to-one (both armed). If YOU are armed and HE is armed, and if you both have intent (i.e., neither will back down until the other can't move), then your odds are about 50-50 for and against survival. Why am I so pessimistic? Because you cannot count on your training to make up for accidents. Why train at all then? Because, barring accidents, your training may make that slight difference that makes all the difference. 2. One-to-one (one unarmed, one armed) If YOU are unarmed and HE is armed, and if you both have intent (i.e., neither will back down until the other can't move), then your odds just slipped way below the 50-50 mark. You can choose any number you want, but you can't tell me they come close to 50%. Let's split the difference and call it a 25% chance of survival. Your superior training may make the difference, but it's a steep climb from 25%. 3. Two-to-one (two armed, one unarmed). If YOU are unarmed and THEY are armed, and if you all have intent (i.e., they won't back down until you can't move, and so on...), then your odds just slipped way below the 25-75 mark. You can choose any number you want, but you can't tell me they come close to 25%. You cant even split the difference because the odds don't decrease geometrically - they decrease exponentially. That's why "slim to none" sounds about right. I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't train empty-hand against knife or whatever - but, rather than fill our students' heads with dangerous fantasies, why not acquaint them with some realistic information? That way, they'll learn to avoid getting into not just dangerous, but close to impossible, situations. Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:32:25 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bar = Society Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Guess I see bars as a distillation, so to speak, of society as a whole. Ola Maestro Grover, what if most of society could never be found in a bar?:-) > If you can't operate in one you'll have trouble in the other, > whatever your carry habits are. Why? I've carried some kind of "tool" since adolescence, and in varied environements other than bars. Just curious about your thinking (not wanting to make assumptions). Whatever muchacho, wherever we may be, whatever we may be doing, I say "Always keep one hand free, no matter what, if it's possible." Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:32:44 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Aches Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Crafty writes-- > > The Letha and Dhanda Yoga material of Dr. Gyi is absolutely superb in this > regard. > Guru Denny also writes of Dan Inosanto's Gyrotonics/Pilates instructor. Some articles or descriptions would be cool of the exercises. Matt Thornton's SBG gang speak constantly of Morgen Smith's HardCORE Pilates designed for MMA fighters. This material represents the healing side of martial arts and is glossed over until it is too late. Tom Furman --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:18:13 -0400 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Checking hand Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would just say that it is used to monitor limbs while you set up your next move. -Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:23:25 -0400 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kinamutai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't think that biting is at all relevant (sorta stupid even) in this day and age. While it may save your butt, its a little short-sighted considering what you could contract(AIDS, various forms of Hepatitis) from the blood of a stranger. -Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kinamutai Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:10:32 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net But biting doesn't necessarily mean breaking the skin or drawing blood. Often the desired results (i.e.: breaking the hold, creating an opening, causing a distraction, etc.) can be achieved without breaking the skin. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Musilat@aol.com [mailto:Musilat@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:23 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kinamutai I don't think that biting is at all relevant (sorta stupid even) in this day and age. While it may save your butt, its a little short-sighted considering what you could contract(AIDS, various forms of Hepatitis) from the blood of a stranger. -Steve Kohn _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:46:36 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] knife training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I would rate just about anybody you care to mention as having a probability >between slim and none. >A comment from one of the de Thouars brothers would be apropos: if your >opponent has a knife, take 5 years off your training. If he has had one >lesson on how to use the knife, take 10 years off your training. I'm in full agreement. Anyone who thinks they have a good chance unarmed against an opponent who is armed with a knife hasn't trained with a live blade. It's a sobering thought that all your MA training can be negated with your opponent having a little training with a blade. Most on the list are experienced MAists and yet there was only one or two responses on how effective people think their unarmed against knife techniques are, why? Yes, I understand the question was very open ended, we all train in different techniques but we can all give a ball park figure or a gut feeling with regards their success. How many people back their art and training to give them a 50-50 chance? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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