Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:20:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #172 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. To bite or not to bite (Musilat@aol.com) 2. Rib Snack for me please (rocky pasiwk) 3. Pavel's videos & Training (Mike aka Shugendo) 4. Re: Kinamutai (Rob Viglione) 5. Re: knife training (Rob Viglione) 6. Re: checking hand (Judo36@aol.com) 7. Re: Kinamutai (Ray White) 8. Re: Rib Snack for me please (Ray White) 9. knife training (Steven Drape) 10. Co-existence of digest and non-digestified (fwd) (Ray Terry) 11. fma mag (royparker@comcast.net) 12. Re: 3AM in the Bronx (barry meadows) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:58:45 -0400 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] To bite or not to bite Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Do what you gotta do I suppose. I was just offering one perspective on the subject. Best to all, Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Rib Snack for me please Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you have never thought of biting in a street fight, then you have never really been in a street fight, its that simple, oh you might have been in a scuffle or two, but, that's a far cry from a street fight in Del Ray ( Detroit) or the East side or South West Detroit, where they play for keeps. On more than one occasion in my life I have escaped the ever popular head lock that all street fighters use, by nawing on a side of ribs, although not as yummy as the Bone Yard, or Carls Chop House in Detroit, they'll do in a pinch at 2 o'clock in the morning when some 300 lbs biker has you in a head lock and is trying to drive your teeth through the back of your head!! Hell I'll chew on a side of ribs, a neck bone, the wing the thigh, hell I'll even take a chunk out some tub steak smothered in underware if it means staying alive. And no Crafty or Ray we can't practice that last one together :-) I tell you this until you have grappled with someone like my top student Hal Edwards, you'll never know just how easily some of those un-escapable BJJ or judo or what ever you practice holds are to break with a bite! I swear he was a pit bull in his former life. Play to win or don't play!! Rocky --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mike aka Shugendo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:29:32 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Pavel's videos & Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To Tom and Others: Thanks for your input on the videos.  I am attending a KB clinic with Mike Mahler early in May and will purchase the videos soon thereafter, if not before.  I'm always looking for new insights into PT and MA training and I'm looking forward to seeing these videos. Keep Sweating and Keep Smiling! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael A. Krivka Training Director, Martial Arts Koncepts Phone: 301/404-2571 or 301/963-6520 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Viglione Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kinamutai To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'd rather die slow from aids,(they could find a cure) then fast in a fight because i was afraid to bite. rob --- Musilat@aol.com wrote: > I don't think that biting is at all relevant (sorta > stupid even) in this day and age. While it may save > your butt, its a little short-sighted considering > what you could contract(AIDS, various forms of > Hepatitis) from the blood of a stranger. > > -Steve Kohn > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Viglione Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net against one armed opponet I give myself at least a 50 50 chance. against multiple armed oppents,(who's sister did you knock up?) just try to zone yourslf out of the situation. one last point, since the day i began training I have always carried weapons on me, if not edged then at least a metal bodied pen. rob --- David Eke wrote: > >I would rate just about anybody you care to mention > as having a probability > >between slim and none. > > >A comment from one of the de Thouars brothers would > be apropos: if your > >opponent has a knife, take 5 years off your > training. If he has had one > >lesson on how to use the knife, take 10 years off > your training. > > I'm in full agreement. Anyone who thinks they have > a good chance unarmed > against an opponent who is armed with a knife hasn't > trained with a live > blade. It's a sobering thought that all your MA > training can be negated > with your opponent having a little training with a > blade. Most on the list > are experienced MAists and yet there was only one or > two responses on how > effective people think their unarmed against knife > techniques are, why? > Yes, I understand the question was very open ended, > we all train in > different techniques but we can all give a ball park > figure or a gut feeling > with regards their success. How many people back > their art and training to > give them a 50-50 chance? > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Judo36@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:54:38 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: checking hand Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net your checking hand could be used for striking as wall as trapping. greg --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Ray White" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kinamutai Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:03:34 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree that it is better to bite than get choked out or otherwise incapacitated by an agressor, but I wouldn't want to make kinimutai my major focus of self defense training. It would be better to focus on striking or grappling arts. In my case for self preservation I enjoy filipino panantukan (street boxing) and Silat for takedowns and limb destructions, and Muay Thai for conditioning and kicking. Ray www.absolutejkd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Viglione" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kinamutai > I'd rather die slow from aids,(they could find a cure) > then fast in a fight because i was afraid to bite. > rob > --- Musilat@aol.com wrote: > > I don't think that biting is at all relevant (sorta > > stupid even) in this day and age. While it may save > > your butt, its a little short-sighted considering > > what you could contract(AIDS, various forms of > > Hepatitis) from the blood of a stranger. > > > > -Steve Kohn > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > > Resource > > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Ray White" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Rib Snack for me please Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:12:14 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky, LOL!!! Tub steak smothered in underwear! Yum! Biting could save your life, but I would save it as a last resort. A true Kinimutai practitioner will actually train his bite, and looks to close on their advisary and rip away! It is a methodology designed for effective and repeated biting. I am no pro on the matts and I usaully rely on my physical attributes when I am down on the ground. I prefer standing and striking, with locking and throwing, versus closing and wrestling. But I agree if you have to BITE AWAY! I just wouldn't want to rely solely on the bite as a matter of technique. Oh, and if I plan on practicing my bites, I'll be sure to let you know, Rocky! Ray www.absolutejkd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Rib Snack for me please > If you have never thought of biting in a street fight, then you have never > really been in a street fight, its that simple, oh you might have been in a > scuffle or two, but, that's a far cry from a street fight in Del Ray ( > Detroit) or the East side or South West Detroit, where they play for keeps. > On more than one occasion in my life I have escaped the ever popular head > lock that all street fighters use, by nawing on a side of ribs, although not > as yummy as the Bone Yard, or Carls Chop House in Detroit, they'll do in a > pinch at 2 o'clock in the morning when some 300 lbs biker has you in a head > lock and is trying to drive your teeth through the back of your head!! Hell > I'll chew on a side of ribs, a neck bone, the wing the thigh, hell I'll even > take a chunk out some tub steak smothered in underware if it means staying > alive. And no Crafty or Ray we can't practice that last one together :-) > > I tell you this until you have grappled with someone like my top student Hal > Edwards, you'll never know just how easily some of those un-escapable BJJ or > judo or what ever you practice holds are to break with a bite! I swear he > was a pit bull in his former life. > > Play to win or don't play!! > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:32:42 +0300 From: "Steven Drape" To: Subject: [Eskrima] knife training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net How many people back their art and training to give them a 50-50 chance? When I teach the knife, I teach basic offensive knife first. I do that to show the students immediately that there is little-to-no defense against a trained man with a blade. When the live hand, proper body mechanics and footwork are employed, there is little chance for the defender. Most people seem to have the idea that disarms, blocks and so on can save them, and I admit to enjoying teaching them differently. After all illusions are put aside, real training can begin. That said, when I begin defensive knife, we try to work things from the realistic attitude that was developed at the start. While defense doesn't work against a trained man, a real encounter may not actually involve someone with training, and against an untrained attacker, you do have a chance, though you are still likely to be cut. A great deal depends on the length of the blade your attacker is using against you, as well as other things like the clothing you are wearing, etc. Black Belt will be publishing an article of mine on this very subject sometime in the near future. They haven't given me a date but watch for it within the next few months. Steve --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Co-existence of digest and non-digestified (fwd) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a reminder. Thx. >From rterry Wed Feb 5 12:41:57 2003 Subject: Co-existence of digest and non-digestified To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:41:57 -0800 (PST) A request... On the list, this list, we have two ways a person may be subscribed. They may choose to receive each post to the list as an individual email message or they may choose to receive the posts grouped together in a digest format (i.e. digestfied). A subscriber may change how they are subscribed by going to http://eskrima-fma.net, logging-in, and following the directions provided. One problem with this 'freedom' is that when those that are subscribed to the list in its non-digestfied form (an individual email per post) reply to a message they may quote the entire message to which they are replying. This can be a problem for those on the digest as they see the same long message over and over again. 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Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:41:32 -0400 From: royparker@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] fma mag Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I paid for two subscriptions and havn't gotten them...I decided just to buy back issues instead. Can't keep paying for six and getting only two now can we??? Roy Parker --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 3AM in the Bronx Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 03:10:21 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Crafty, I live in Sevierville Tn. Right smack in redneck country. Lots of wholesome folk here. And I can tell you we have PLENTY of crack-heads.And plenty of the crimes that go with it.Shootings,stabings,robbery and the like.It would be nice if all the hillbilly's still just made their moonshine and got crazy up in the Mtns. But now it seems they use a few pounds of home-grown and Crack to go with it.Makes for some very "crazy" people. It aint the Bronx I admit and there aint no Subway platforms and you are more likly to get mugged by the big misquetos and bugs, as you personally know, than a crack head,you still however have more than enough reason to maintain the same mind-set you would in a more heavily populated area. As far as biting goes, if you gotta you gotta. Primary freedom baby!Yeah Rocky even a little trouser trout!I can see how that may come in handy in prison!LoL.Maybe if you had three of four others holding you down and....... well you get the picture! That being said,Im not gonna put it in the forefront of my training. Even a person with no training adapts to the opportunity. I would think a trained individual would easily adapt to the situation. Utilizing biting techniques is only returning to your Primary Freedom. I Jest but it is true. Barry >From: "Marc Denny" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] 3AM in the Bronx >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:04:51 -0700 > >Concerning carries, Francis wrote: > > > I do think of the area I am going > > to. , , , So I guess the best advice I can give in this subject is to >use > > your BRAIN... Look at a situation and go from there. > >Exactly. The procedures and practices of some wholesome midwest town may >be >a tad different than a subway platform in the Bronx at 3:00AM. > > > > I don't think that biting is at all relevant (sorta stupid even) in this >day and age. While it may save your butt, its a little short-sighted >considering what you could contract(AIDS, various forms of Hepatitis) from >the blood of a stranger. > > > > -Steve Kohn > > If the biter is the one with cooties the calculations shift a bit , , , >anyway, for those of us who have a policy of avoiding fights, any fight we >are in was imposed upon us and probably is of a "must win" nature. Again >the procedures and practices of a wholesome midwest town might be different >than with a couple of crackheads on the hunt on a subway platform at 3:00AM >in the wild reaches of the Bronx. > >Woof, >Crafty Dog >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest