Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #185 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. American legal standards (Nat Nickele) 2. RE:Home defence - ingerlund (Patrick Davies) 3. Taping of classes (Ingmund Forberg) 4. RE: Home Defense (Jesse Greenawalt) 5. Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje in NY (Jason Nardi) 6. Re: Taping of classes (Ray Terry) 7. Butterfly Knife: France via Spain ?? (Ray Terry) 8. Colorado Seminar (Seraksatu@aol.com) 9. 'roid use (Ray Terry) 10. legal standards (steven ledwith) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 00:49:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] American legal standards Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Props to Crafty for this posting! Very informative. I think I will steal it and use it as required reading for my students -Nat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:47:23 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] RE:Home defence - ingerlund Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tony Martin's appeal was rejected recently. He was refused early release as he is considered a danger and showed no remorse. The offenders were shot while fleeing. There are obviously elements to his character that we are not privy too and has a history of risk with weaponry. This comes from the BBC: According to the law (Criminal Law Act, 1967), "a person may use such force as is reasonable... in the prevention of crime". Indeed, in November 2001, a jury took only 15 minutes to clear a householder who had fatally stabbed an armed intruder in his home. But the circumstances in which Martin killed Fred Barras were different. In addition, evidence presented at his appeal that he suffers from a paranoid personality disorder will also have done him no favours with the parole board. Martin, who was in the house at the time, opened fire with an illegally-held pump-action shotgun. Barras was shot in the back and died at the scene, while Fearon was shot in the leg and recovered after treatment in hospital. Three days later, Martin was taken into police custody and charged with murder and wounding with intent. It became apparent that Martin's orchard farm and home, called Bleak House, had been plagued by crime for years. Martin had been burgled so many times that he had set up an elaborate network of look-out ladders and traps, even removing a stair to hinder intruders. Three months before the shooting, crooks had broken into the house and taken £6,000 worth of furniture. Burglar Fred Barras, 16, was killed while fleeing Martin's house. Martin distrusted the police and was said to have begun fearing for his life. He slept with his clothes and boots on and reportedly kept his gun primed and ready by his bedside. When his trial began in April 2000 Martin argued that he had genuinely been acting in self-defence. But it emerged the pair had been shot as they tried to flee through a window. Jurors also heard that Martin had a history of gun-related misbehaviour, including firing upon a car six years before - an incident which led to his shotgun certificate being revoked. So we have an illegally held gun, illegal as it had been used to the endangerment of the public before and its licence removed. Burglars shot while fleeing so he was not in immediate danger. While we can easily sympathise with Martin for being a target, hes not the cause celebre many seem to think he is. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ingmund Forberg" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:15:59 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Taping of classes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In Systema it is common for the instructor to encourage students who own video cameras to tape all the classes. How common is this in the FMAs? Why/why not? The only instructor I've met who encouraged taping was Maestro Sonny Umpad. Take care, I _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jesse Greenawalt" To: Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:55:26 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Home Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: "Jeff Harris" >The common rule-of-thumb around here (and I have actually heard >this several times from the most unexpected sources) is that if you catch a >perp invading your home you have to keep him there until the cops show-up -- >otherwise *you* will be charged for assault. Liberal laws [ugh!]. This guy >must have been aware of it, having forced the kid to sit tight until the >LEO's arrived. Is this verified? Sounds like local urban rumor to me, but if true, pretty stupid, upping the risk for all involved. >Sadly, here in Iowa, too. Some years ago a farmer was charged when he >booby-trapped one of his homes (he owned a couple of properties, but only >lived in the house on one of them) with a shotgun aimed at the front door, >having been the victim of vandals on several occasions. Sure enough, some >vagrant broke in and got wounded. His court-appointed attorney took the low >road and got the "victim" off the hook and the farmer jailed. There's a big difference between defense in person and booby-trapping. The latter is pretty much negligent by definition, since you don't know WHO might enter or WHAT their intent. What if a LEO got a tip concerning the house in question (correct or not) and went to check it out? The man may have killed a cop. Real bright. From: "Bill Lowery" >If you are referring to Tony Martin (the Farmer), he had been burgled >numerous times, and the local Police never showed any interest. There is the >suggestion that Martin laid in wait for the "next" lot of burglars, and shot >at them to scare them. Unfortunatley, one of the burglars was a small >sixteen year old boy, and instead of getting shot in the legs, he was >wounded in the lower back. He climbed over a fence in the garden, fainted >and bled to death. Yeah, a gunshot wound in the back makes self defense claims a bit difficult... And a big THANKS to Crafty for the legal issues post! I'm in PA so it helps all the more. Many wags to you. Jesse --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:17:15 -0400 From: "Jason Nardi" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje in NY Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greeting all. I just want to announce that GT Leo Gaje will be returning to New York this July 19 & 20. For more information please refer to www.ptpitbulls-ny.com. Regards to you all, Jason Nardi --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Taping of classes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > In Systema it is common for the instructor to encourage students who own > video cameras to tape all the classes. How common is this in the FMAs? > Why/why not? The only instructor I've met who encouraged taping was Maestro > Sonny Umpad. I personally don't know any reason why you couldn't. But taping hour or two hour classes, a few a week for N weeks/months would end up being a ton of footage. This approach would probably work better for those more interested in the infrequent seminar approach as opposed to the regular class approach. ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Butterfly Knife: France via Spain ?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From the June issue of Blade magazine... Ray ========================================================== Butterfly Knife Origins: France via Spain? "The history of butterfly knives is somewhat controversial," declares butterfly knife authority Chuck Thllnick, who owns and operates the Bali-Song Collectors' Web site. "Traditionally, they've been associated with the Philippines." Gollnick points out that the city of Balisong, in the Filipino province of Batangas, has many small shops that manufacture butterfly knives. What's more, the knife is the trademark logo of Batangas' semiprofessional basketball team, the Batangas Blades. However, Gollnick began to question his belief that the butterfly knife originated in the Philippines when he bought one with the tang marked, "Espana MDCCCXCV" "Espana would be Spain. And what about MDCCCXCV? That's Roman numerals for 1895," Gollnick notes. "Could it be that the knife was made in Spain in 1895? So, I started to dig into possible European roots for the butterfly knife." What Gollnick unearthed in his search was the knife's strong tie-in with seamen. "These knives were originally used by sailors, particularly those who tended the ship cannons. The sailors needed a knife for various utility purposescutting fuse material, opening boxes, etc-and also to defend themselves if the ship was boarded," he explains. There was, however, one minor problem. "A steel blade can make a spark if it's dropped or struck against other metal things. A spark is the last thing you want around gun powder;' Gollnick observes. This is why a lot of the early butterfly knives had handles fashioned from brass, a non-sparking metal, because they "fully cover the steel blade, reducing the chance of an accidental spark." In the end, Gollnick surmises, "My best theory is that butterfly knives were invented by the French. The Spanish picked them up from the French. It was probably a Spanish sailor who took one to the Philippines, a Spanish colony at the time." by Dexter Ewing --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:45:26 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Colorado Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subj: Penchak Silat Seminar May 25, 2003 Date: 5/12/2003 6:52:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: csmead@vermilliontrail.com Greetings all, There will be a Pentjak Silat Serak Seminar on Sunday, May 25, 2003, at our new house on the North end of Longmont. Registration begins at 10 am, the Seminar will run from 11 am to 5 pm. The cost is $75.00 per person for the day. Maha Guru 'Pak' Victor de Thouars will be teaching Serak, his family's personal art. This is a rare opportunity to meet and learn from one of the few Silat masters in the world. Any skill level is welcome. Pak Victor's teaching style is excellent for both beginners and experienced martial artists - you will definitely feel you've gotten your money's worth whatever your previous exposure. Male or female, young or old, experienced or beginner, if you ever wondered what Silat is, or are wondering now, this is the chance to have your questions answered. :) This art was designed originally to allow 5' 100 lb Indonesians to defend themselves against 7' 300 lb Dutchmen, and it succeeds brilliantly. If you are interested or want more information or directions, please contact me privately at csmead@vermilliontrail.com, or Jim Ray at jimray@vermilliontrail.com, or call us at home: 303.702.0393. Thanks, Cat Smead aka Kirti --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] 'roid use Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FWIW, there is an interesting and fairly objective (IMO) article in the March issue of Men's Health magazine regarding the (safe?) use of steroids. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: steven ledwith To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] legal standards Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I teach my students that S.D. laws are very complicated and to " use just enough force to get away to safety or to help somebody else get to safety" , then I advise them to become familiar with their local laws. I have seen other instructors teach the Law Enforcement force pyramid to civilians which doesn't seem practical to me as use of force is much stricter for L.E. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest