Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 03:01:48 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #187 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Updated Location Info on GT Gaje Seminar (William Schultz) 2. FMA ranges? -- Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #186 (Uli Weidle) 3. chronically injured student. (gordon walker) 4. Re: HIV positive student (Gints Klimanis) 5. Training with HIV (Bobbe Edmonds) 6. HIV student (Stephen Lamade) 7. HIV in Class (Khalkee@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "William Schultz" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:27:57 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Updated Location Info on GT Gaje Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, The Rhode Island Pekiti-Tirsia Kali Association would like to announce and welcome Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje Jr. to Rhode Island. The RIPTKA and Mongrel Combative Arts in association with The Fitness Connection will be hosting a 2-day training seminar with Grandmaster Leo Gaje. Grandmaster Leo Gaje will be offering an intense training session in the close quarter's combat system of Pekiti-Tirsia Kali. Learn the keys to applying effective combat technique through the Pekiti-Tirsia system. A true, authentic family system of Filipino martial art, tested and proven through generations of combat and utilized now by the elite Philippine Marine Corps Force Recon in the war against Terrorism. Training will focus on the combat drills and tactical application of the Pekiti-Tirsia system with all weapon categories including Pangamut/Empty-Hands/Dumog. Participants should bring training weapons, protective gear, water/sports drinks for hydration and be prepared to train. The seminar will be on July 12 & 13, 2003 from 10:00AM to 5:00PM (with break). The cost will be $125 ($150 at the door) for both days and $75 ($85 at the door) for just 1day. Due to space limitations, pre-registering is highly recomended. The location: Swift Gym, corner of Pierce and Spring St.,East Greenwich, RI. Directions: >From I-95 North bound. Take exit #8 onto Route 2 south. Turn left onto Division (1st set of lights). Drive 2.2 miles Turn left on to Prospect, Turn right at Spring St. Take first left into the parking lot (right next to the EG Police Station). >From I-95 South bound, Take Rt. 4 South to Exit #8 (first exit). Turn right onto Division (1st set of lights). Drive 2.0 miles Turn left on to Prospect, Turn right at Spring St. Take first left into the parking lot (right next to the EG Police Station). Lodging: The Crowne Plaza is about a 10 minute drive from Swift gym. Located at (right off of I-95): 801 Greenwich Ave Warwick, RI. 401-732-6000 Holiday Inn Express 901 Jefferson Blvd Warwick, RI. 401-736-5000 For those that might be interested (and you have any energy left), Water Fire will be happening Saturday night. If enough people are interested in going, I'll arrange for transportation to and from the event. Please contact me if you are interested in attending. Check out www.waterfire.com If you have any other questions, want pre-registration info, or to receive a flyer, (I can e-mail or Snail mail a flyer to you) please e-mail or call: Guro William Schultz by phone (401) 258-3689, wmschultz@meganet.net or wschpunyo@hotmail.com Hope to see you there, The Rhode Island Pekiti-Tirsia Kali Association (RIPTKA) Mongrel Combative Arts _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:33:18 +0200 From: Uli Weidle Organization: Pekiti-Tirsia Europe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA ranges? -- Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #186 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Verzejd! Yes indeed I can understand that you love Pekiti-Tirsia. It is an exciting fine art and I enjoy every minute I am practising it. Regarding your question about ranges in Pekiti-Tirsia: It is true that Pekiti-Tirsia puts special emphasise in close quarter but you shouldn't feel like the long range is missing. Since almost ten years now I learn from Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje visiting him several times a year in the Philippines and since 1996 Grand Tuhon came yearly to Germany. It is my experience that he teaches a lot of long range bridging material right from the beginning. Actually bridging and power hitting was the main content of the first lesson he taught me and also I remember that in his first seminar in Europe in 1996 the first material Grand Tuhon taught were bridging combinations for largo range. Distance and bridging sparring is actually an important part of Pekiti-Tirsia and from the very beginning the student learns by using this kind of sparring exercises. In the Pekiti-Tirsia Europe Organisation we follow that teaching method. The reason why in Pekiti-Tirsia special attention is given to medio range is that street situations more often start from medium distance than from long distance. This is different from starting a duell fight in 4 meters distance. Greetings from Germany! Uli Weidle -- Pekiti-Tirsia in Europe and Philippines http://www.Pekiti-Tirsia.net >Message: 8 >From: Verzejd@aol.com >Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:06:27 EDT >Subject: [Eskrima] FMA ranges? > >FMA ranges? I currently train in Pekiti Tirsia Kali & absolutely love it. I'm >only a beginner. It is a close quarters style. I have a friend who also is >starting to look at Pekiti but due to his current FMA style, favors a "safer" >largo range. My question is (like all of us): with so much time in a day, >what range do you or should spend more time on? From what I understand in >Pekiti Tirsia, we study the most dangerous range first, then others later. I >agree with this rationale. What do you think? As in the old grappling debate, >I feel a complete fighter should be skilled at all ranges (stand-up/striking, >trapping, & grappling). But with a time restraint put on most of us due to >time....???? > > >Verzejd --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:49:15 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] chronically injured student. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, HIV is a extreme case of what I would like to see discussed. For instructors, would you knowingly teach a student with severe chronic injuries to extremities or back injuries? I think most schools would have a disclaimer of some sort that the prospective student would have to sign, but is there some regulatory law/body that demands disclosure from both parties in this matter? Sincerely, Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:02:03 -0700 From: Gints Klimanis Organization: none To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: HIV positive student Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Other have answered this question, so I'll stick to unaddressed points. It's important to understand the primary transmission paths of HIV: 1) anally-*receptive* sexual intercourse 2) blood transfer via hypodermic injection. The other paths carry a significantly lower risk. Also, it takes a particular level of virus for transmission. So, it's important to understand the viral load. Many HIV patients have responded well to treatment and carry a viral load so low that they are ineffective transmitters . In any case, I think you should buy some books or at least read the standard pamphlets on HIV transmission. In the mid-90's, I worked out with someone that was ill WAY too often . So, I read up on HIV just to be safe. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:04:32 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Training with HIV Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Rob. I think the biggest question you must ask yourself is: Are you willing to accept responsibility for this student, if anyone else, however inadvertantly, catches the disease? In a similar vein, I teach Pentjak Silat as well as Kali. The style I teach (Serak) is sort of "In your face". Last winter, one student had a cold, but didn't show it very much, so nobody thought anything about it. The next day, we were ALL laid out with it. The entire class. As the instructor, I feel I should have isolated the student, made him just work Djurus or something. Now, HIV isn't airborn like a cold, and certianly the results are not the same. But then, you never get rid of it either. And this student will always be in the "Touchy -Feelie" stage, where people will be extra-sensitive about working with him. I don't know if you guys do hubad, sumbrada, knife tapping, or any other drill where the weapon & empty hand are flying at high speeds, but I have had many a night where my guys walked out of class with scratches, cuts & bruises all over them, as well as blood. There are several other consequences to consider as well, outside of possible infection, i.e. loss of students, animosity in class (giving ANYBODY "preferred treatment" will do this). You must approach this realistically, do you have the facility to handle this type of student? We have all heard experts say how difficult it is to catch the disease. ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY? Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:16:07 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] HIV student Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There's no getting around the fact that martial arts are a "contact sport," so to speak. With this in mind, the following should at least be considered: 1. Private instruction allows you to tailor the scope and breath of the lesson to the student, and does not put other students at risk. 2. Solo drills, with an emphasis on body mechanics, are preferable to contact drills. 3. Contact drills, when done lightly with rattan sticks, pose little risk when done with protective equipment (including gloves, eye protection, head protection). That said, there IS a conceivable risk, which is up to you to control. Cuts and scrapes can occur in any situation, however well controlled, and it is up to you to decide how to minimize the risk. The fact that you asked the question on the forum leads me to assume that you are considering teaching this student. I would do the same, with the above caveats in place, and I would explain to the student the pros and cons of such an approach within the context of teaching a "martial art" as well as "self defense." I think that he or she would be grateful for your honesty, as well as for your willingness to teach in the first place - it's certainly not an easy decision. By the way, I teach in Queens, NY myself - where are you located? Best, Steve Lamade lhommedieu@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:28:18 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] HIV in Class Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just an FYI ... the popular line about HIV being a wimpy virus is misleading. U Miami, late 80s ... proven that the dry virus will survive on a dry surface for more than a day. Will survive in a droplet on a surface for two days. Also observed (old research) passive movement of virus btwn two Petri dishes, one elevated above the other, a pipette spanning the space btwn the dishes. As Jimi once said: "You can't believe everything that you see and hear, can you? So if you'll excuse me, I must be on my way." Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest