Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 03:01:51 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #188 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: HIV Positive Student (gary) 2. Staying "Well" and other diseases (Q) 3. HIV and PC Fascism (Marc Denny) 4. Re: Taping classes (A M) 5. HIV in class (Michael Koblic) 6. American Legal standards (Travis F.) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "gary" To: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:26:19 +0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: HIV Positive Student Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would suggest the following heath setting in Martial Art Practice Environment, since beside HIV, other common skin diseases can be tranmissed through body fluid, like saliva, sweat & blood etc. And most important is you never know which students have which disease, may be even the student themselves don't notice it. 1. Always Clean the gears provided by the gym with proper cleaning agent. 2. Encourage students to acquire their own personal sparring gears, like helmet, gloves, glorin guard and so on. 3. When doing sparring sessions for example--Contact (Stick to Body) or min-contact (Stick to Stick, or Shadowing), protection gears should be employed, like hand gloves, arm guard, eye mast and so on. 4. If students with special health concern, may limit the training to a certain level, like train only in Forms (Kata), and solo exercises. 5. Always check with the student whether they have cuts on the hands, if have fresh wounds, immediately stop the training and take necessary methods to stop the bleeding before training again. If the bleeding is not stopped, should sent to hospital immediately. 6. Always watch the students performance when they spar, if the students shows sign of breathing difficult, tired, should stop the fight and ask whether the student can continue the sparring sessions or not. 7. Always encourage the students to drink enough water between each sparring sessions and during training sessions. 8. The Gym should equip with proper air system to make sure the supply of fresh air. Gary --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 06:17:19 -0700 (GMT) From: Q To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Staying "Well" and other diseases Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding HIV...As far as the law be careful of ADA (american's with disabilites act) based discrimination which may apply to your business. Medical personal are taught to not discriminate. They treat every contact as an infection source of any disease. Therefore precautions are "universal" since you never know who is sick. Patients often don't know they are sick. There are probably people here on this list who have not been to a doctor in 10 years. There are probalby people on this list list with undiagnosed high blood pressure, diabetes etc... Your time is better spent not worring about one HIV infected person in your class but more about what are your "universal " precautions. How do you handle blood in your gym? What is your protocal for handling bleeding from your casual contact? Do you stop training in a boxing ring once the blood starts flowing to stem the tide of bleeding? Do you stop training once you see blood? Do you wear gloves to clean the blood off surfaces? Do you request the bleeder to clean up his own blood assuming he can? Do you request that people with open scrapes and cuts where blood is visible tape them closed? Do you take other simple precaustions like grappple more in the summer (less face to face transmissible colds) than the dead of winter? Stick fighting makes more sence in the winter so if you gear up you don't get so hot with all the gear on. Most cold virus are transmitted via nose to hand contact. Even simple head gear reduce exposure as a barrier between your nose and your hand. It is easier to to tranmit cold virus from person one hand to person two hand to person 2's face than it is to transmit face person 1 to boxing glove person 1 to boxing glove person 2 to face person 2. Any barrier helps. Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. 4305 Torrance Blvd., Suite 102 Torrance, Ca. 90503 310-371-2337 603-710-6393fax Cosmetic General Dentistry --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:53:06 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] HIV and PC Fascism Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: The HIV question is an interesting one and I have no claim to special insight. That said, a couple of observations to add to the mix: 1) Someone with HIV will tend to catch, and transmit?, a lot of diseases. 2) The fact that you know that the person has HIV speaks well of their sense of integrity. 3) Unfortunately, anyone asking about HIV, facing the question of teaching HIV, teaching with limiting safeguards, etc probably needs to consider factoring the possibility of a discrimination suit. IMHO you should definitely consult an attorney knowledgeable in this area (i.e. not just any old attorney). Forgive the commercial, but some of you may remember my plugging my wife's sideline business of "Pre-Paid Legal". This would be a perfect example of being able to pick up the phone and have a conversation with an attorney at no charge that otherwise would cost you a lot. For more info contact Cindy at Prettykitty@dogbrothers.com , , , I don't know about anyone else, but I find it kind of fascist that this difficult human question can not be answered to the best of one's sincere humanity without considering The State telling you what to do in the name of anti-discrimination. Narcoleptics have to be allowed to be train engineers-- never mind that they might fall asleep at the switch, people so fat they need two seats on an airplane need only pay for one, etc etc. The noble cause of Martin Luther King et al has morphed into this vast sprawling blob that consumes all in its path. Communicate with your representatives. And consider voting Libertarian, at least when you don't have a positive reason to vote for either the Patrician Republican or the Demogogic Democrat. Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: A M To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Taping classes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I asked Sigung Ed Bansuelo if it would be acceptable to tape classes to be able to absorb the "gross" movements of forms/techniques in our art. I have found that it has helped me to understand the movements and work on the finesse aspect of the art. I also (when time permits) get together with other students for some informal stick time. The tapes definately help. It has gotten to the point where I always bring my camcorder and tripod to tape new techniques along with my stick bag. Anthony Manansala Estalilla Bansuelo Kabaroan WOR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] HIV in class Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is a tricky subject. However, I respectfully sugggest the following for consideration: 1) Do you know that *all* your students are HIV negative? 2) Do you know that all those who are HIV negative are non-infectious (it may take 6 months for seroconversion)? 3) Hospitals do not check every patient's HIV status but treat everyone as a potential case ("universal precautions"). What are your procedures for dealing with blood in class? Just some food for thought... Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Travis F." To: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:18:15 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] American Legal standards Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I second the thanks Marc. Interesting and informative. ..something that piques my interest rather than the "my way, style, teacher is the greatest or most knowledgeable rubbish or Kali, Arnis, Eskrima bickering ad naseum. Every once in awhile there is a gem of useful information. On to my 2 centavos! re: Martial arts teachers' liability... The article mentions three ways a teacher way by held liable, namely : >First, if the instructor appears to ratify or approve of unlawful conduct, he may be held liable for the commission of such acts. >Second, an instructor may be held liable for having entrusted a student with 'an extremely dangerous instrumentality'. >Finally, an instructor may be liable for harm to the student or other parties as a result of negligent instruction. No instructor I'm aware of approves of unlawful conduct. The second is utter rubbish. The third is common sense. Yes they can all be argued but in any case a Dojo is not a law school. Nor are instructors lawyers. The following, which really goes to #2 above, and with which I heartily agree; "[W]hy is not a man who sells firearms answerable for assaults committed with pistols bought of him, since he must be taken to know the probability that, sooner or later, someone will buy a pistol of him for some unlawful end? ...The principle seems to be pretty well established ..that everyone has a right to rely upon his fellow-men acting lawfully, and therefore, is not answerable for himself acting upon the assumption that they will do so, however improbable it may be." - Olivier Wendell Holmes, Jr. U.S Sumpreme Court Justice Collected Legal Papers (1952) Individual responsibility is right and correct. Trying to pawn off responsibility and using it to cash in on the misdeeds of others is a heap of feces. I got the quote above from a NRA mag, which BTW you should contact your U.S. Senators and urge support for S. 659 because intrinsically this goes to #2 above. This bill is to stop the frivolous liability lawsuits against firearm manufacturers. Like stated, should GM get sued because an aggressive driver hit someone with a GM car? Nope. Or for that matter, a drunk driver killed someone using a GM car? Nope. Now, should the German government, and the University where the 9/11 terrorists studied be sued? This is admittedly a very emotional idea but it is ultimately incorrect. Persecuting Al Queda sure is spot on! Regards, Travis --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest