Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #194 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Ground Dumog (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 2. RE: titles n' stuff (Jesse Greenawalt) 3. Ranks and Titles (Karol Krauser) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:10:06 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ground Dumog Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/20/03 8:01:54 PM, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > >   I hosted Leo Gaje for the first time ever in the UK in 2002. True some of > what > we saw was very impressive (the standing Dumog for example). Some was less > so (the ground Dumog was being countered by people with Western grappling > knowledge easily - actually to the point where people were countering the > Dumog before they had realised they had done it!). > I saw a photo of some of the Ground Dumog. It looked exotic, but it would not be anything worthwhile in the BJJ-Sambo-Shooto-Catch world. I think it opens you twards possibilities. Remember, in the mid nineties, the "Rubber Guard" was not a common thing on video tapes or UFC's. This weekend, Royler Gracie, the great champion and highly technical grappler, was submitted by this "exotic" technique. The P-T Dumog stuff is good for the creative component of your training. Tom Furman --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jesse Greenawalt" To: Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: titles n' stuff Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All this brouhaha about titles is interesting; not only in the MA, but other disciplines as well. I find that if someone corrects another about their own title ("are you Mr. Joe Sixpack?" "That's Dr. Sixpack") my gut reaction is, "what a nimrod". I do not feel this way if the title is in any way pertinent to the current discussion, situation, event, or company. For example, an M.D. at a medical convention may well want his position known if his opinion is likely to be solicited. But in casual conversation I find it annoying and a possible sign of self esteem issues. I tend to not want to hang with such people; beyond the annoyance factor, you never know when they might want to "increase their height" by stepping on you. As others have mentioned, I favor those who are humble despite their excellence & achievement. jester --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Karol Krauser To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ranks and Titles Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all! This is a subject I have wanted to address for quite a while. I have been a practitioner of martial arts for going on twenty years and a teacher as well. For the most part I look at myself as a life long practitioner / student who enjoys and finds great satisfaction in sharing my knowledge with others as well as constantly staying open to learning and exchanging skills. I have achieved various instructors’ ranks in different systems and have traveled to other countries to study their arts. Do I feel like I am a master..? I actually have to roll my eyes and laugh at the concept! With this in mind I have actually met people who have the title of master before the age of thirty! When I have asked them about this they say “Well uhmm it’s kind of like the equivalent of a master’s degree at a college, you know like a black belt is your bachelor’s degree and then afterwards you get your masters degree.” That may sound good but we all know the general public views a martial arts master as someone akin to Bruce Lee, Steven Segal, or as diverse as master Po from the Kung-Fu series ! So this person who says one thing about his master’s title knows what everyone else thinks about it. It is a poor try at humility. What I have found is something of an anomaly is seeing people show up at seminars and simply get promoted because they had the money to pay for a piece of paper that said they were a certain rank. Then there others who didn’t have the currency but possessed the skill denied this honor! Ok here is a guy who has busted his ass for five years in his art but yet has limited funds and along comes a two year practitioner with the cash and gets promoted over him. I am sorry to say I have seen things like this happen. I have even witnessed someone sneak there name on a promotion list at a rather large seminar and get promoted to a first degree black belt amidst the confusion. All this has made me question the worth of rank many times over and discuss it with others. I have been fortunate enough to be exposed to some very skill full people here and overseas with little to know rank but who were still very skill full. Without going into to much detail I have known situations were someone of an intermediate rank in one system could trounce a so called master want to be in another system! I don’t know about you guys but I have to question the logic when someone pays 500 dollars for a piece of paper which says master only to get beat like a thieving monkey by someone who didn’t have the 100 dollars to pay for there first degree black belt! Is this a sore spot for me? Yeah just maybe…but this is America and somehow the more pieces of paper you have the more it impresses people. Then what about the skill level? The love of the art? The concept of being a decent human being which being a skilled martial artist is supposed to embody? I have seen guys in the Philippines train for the love of the art nothing else. Their skill level is unquestionable as is there lack of ego. In many ways I think America has vastly improved on the martial arts but in others I think with our titles and rank we have bastardized them and made fools of ourselves without knowing it as well. In closing it seems that many of the true masters never asked for the title or sought it out. The title was awarded by there peers in the arts. In no way do I want to take away anything or mean any disrespect towards the true masters but I find it funny that the people who would deserve the title would be the last ones to want to be called a master. All other thoughts on the subject are greatly appreciated. Selamat Supreme grand practitioner Karol(Ungoy Krauser __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest