Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #198 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. A title for Rocky (Marc Denny) 2. Memorial Day (Ray Terry) 3. Master Kohn (George Storm) 4. Titles and Thanks to Ray (SumWhiteGuy) 5. Misc (Ray Terry) 6. [The_Dojang] HDGD - enemy blade control (Ray Terry) 7. FMA in Israel? (bill m) 8. Rubber Guard (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 9. Titles & such... (William Schultz) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:32:40 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] A title for Rocky Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: I got it! A title for Rocky! "Yo". yip! Crafty --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Memorial Day Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those in the USA, Monday is Memorial Day holiday. Many years ago it was called Decoration Day, to remember and decorate the graves of our veterans. Now all vets are to be remembered. Have a good one and remember our vets, living or dead. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Storm" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:48:00 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Master Kohn Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Now youre getting into the realm of connotation vs. denotation. >Anotherdiscussion entirely. Steve, It is simple definition of terms. Opinion is wonderful, but precise terminology definition is better. <><><><> George S. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "SumWhiteGuy" To: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:09:31 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Titles and Thanks to Ray Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Ray wrote: > > > > > So if Rocky taught silat could we call him Pak Rock? :) > > > > > > Ray Terry > > > rterry@idiom.com > > > > And if he taught BJJ he could name his academy Rock 'n Roll. Or when he > > gets up there in years, Rock of Ages, perhaps? > > > > Regards, > > > > Buz Grover > > And as a father, he'd be "Pop Rock".... > > > Message: 2 > > From: "Danny Anderson" > > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:26:32 +0000 > > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Titles > > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > > Boy, some great pros and cons regarding titles. So, here's my > two cents > > worth. Yes, there is a grand proliferation of titles these days. > > Just in > > Modern Arnis alone, the number of titles is rather staggering: > > Datu, Junior > > Master, Senior Master, Grand Master, Professor, Guro, Punong Guro > > being the > > most prevalent. Think of all those with no heirarchy set in place to > > determine order. "Confusion shall be my epitaph." (bonus points > > for those > > of you who can cite that reference.) > > "Epitaph" by King Crimson -- my favorite band :-) > > As for the rest of the titles thread....I'll stay out of it. > It's been hashed over many times before on this list and others. > > But it's nice to see the discussion progressing a bit further > than the last time. > > And I just noticed there are 1600+ members now. Wow! I remember > when there were less than 200. Thanks Ray for starting and > keeping the list active all these years (just shy of 9). > > Now if we can get the other 1580 people to post (a group of which > I am usually a member).... > > Jon. > mau-tze@erols.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Misc Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > As for the rest of the titles thread....I'll stay out of it. > It's been hashed over many times before on this list and others. Yep, toooo many times. > And I just noticed there are 1600+ members now. Wow! I remember > when there were less than 200. Thanks Ray for starting and > keeping the list active all these years (just shy of 9). Yep it quickly jumped to ~60 and then slowly moved up and up and up. And in about a month I'll probably send out the annual "Happy Birthday to us" message. > Now if we can get the other 1580 people to post... Sure would be nice. I mean I'm glad we have Crafty to talk to us about law and Sir Yo Rocky Cumere to edukate us en gramer and sppelng, but wood be nize if others wood also share there smartz. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] [The_Dojang] HDGD - enemy blade control Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just fwiw... Forwarding from the KMA list. Haidong Gumdo is a Korean blade/sword art. Ray From: "A. Boyd" Ray asked about blade control methods in Haidong Gumdo. I guess the best way to describe this part of the curriculum is to be brief. If I try to get too descriptive it will become incomprehensible. We learn a large variety of entering methods wherein the student applies different direct means to void the threat of the enemy blade. This might mean linear or circular leverage against the enemy weapon, beat attacks, presses either by muscular force or by body displacement, as well as feints or other psychologically-based methods. Very early in training strong emphasis is placed on directing the course of enemy strikes either by parrying, clearing or trapping. It is hoped to be able to strongly interrupt the opponent's timing while getting their attack to finish as far from your own attack point as possible. (a few short video clip of some of this stuff in action is available on my website in the 2002 Festival section). The weapon is large, relatively slow, and used with two hands. This limits the sort of "swordplay" which will actually work. Also, the blade is viewed in sections and real engagements occur at a much shorter range than people imagine or instinctively try to create. While I might be redirecting the path of the enemy blade with the middle of my blade I am cutting him with the end. Not surprisingly, the rule applied to engagements is to focus on using each action as a means to kill the enemy. The goal is not to fence or outplay your opponent but to kill them and move on to the next. The art itself is quite graceful but the individual techniques are often, direct and brutal. For example, while I might be able to use leverage, sensitivity and timing to take control of the enemy's blade - turning it to my advantage so that I can cut at wrists or hands, I am taught to do what is necessary to get the attacker's sword off line so that I can kill him. As different as that sounds the difference is not one of time or complexity, but rather one of intent. Sorry for such a limited reply but it's too hard to get these ideas in text. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1400 members http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "bill m" To: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:19:59 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Israel? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have received an email asking for a recommendation for FMA in Israel. Does anyone know of any schools or groups there? Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath Email: tuhonbill@pekiti-tirsia.com PTI website: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:04:14 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Rubber Guard Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Crafty asks, > > Is the rubber guard the one wherein the guardman puts his feet on the ground > behind his head as a counter to a pass and uses this to roll/spin out of it > and place his man back into his guard?  > I think Eddie Bravo could show this. He has submissions from here. I would assume he is set up with an active guard. That would mean you are fearing submission, sweeping, etc, and it is offensive in nature. I mean, you are a veteran. I have to drag my next door neighbor away from his months old baby girl to show me all the cool stuff that he learned from Relson and Baret Yoshida. I'm just going from the "I know some cool submissions" stage, to REALLY understanding how important position is, and how sophisticated it is. As far as the K-Johnny's being exposed, from photo's yes, against the guys at World Class level, (Zen Mario, Rigan, Bustamante, Minotauro), I think it would be tough. You are better equipped to answer this than I am ! Tom Furman --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "William Schultz" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:13:05 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Titles & such... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, Well, it's not the first time Ray has fired off a quip or two about Pekiti-Tirsia seminar announcements. A little over a year ago it was about stating that "Surviving Edged Weapons" was one of the best LEO videos ever made. Is it? Well, I have yet to see a video that gets the point across better about realistically dealing with edged weapons. A number of LEO's that I have spoken/trained with who have actually seen it claim that it was an excellent video that really opened their eyes, the best that they had seen. Subjective, yeah, but that's my experience. As far as titles go, what is important is whether the person can deliver the goods, not what they are called. Some folks see it as pompous or ego, but if the system stands up, and the people it produces are competent, capable fighters and instructors, who cares. I think that there are very few people who would claim that GT Gaje can't deliver. I believe Ray formed his own system or off-shoot a while back. He could call himself the Big, Big Superior to all Grand Poobah. If I wanted to train with him, I'd really only be concerned with (outside of criminal activity) whether he can deliver and back it up. But hey, that's just me. I prefer to spend my time training than get my panties all in a bunch over titles. William Schultz _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest