>To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #204 - 6 msgs >Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 03:01:49 -0700 > >Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." > > ><<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. >1600 members. >Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). > >See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Mabuhay ang eskrima! > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. movie fight scene (Dave Belanger) > 2. Old Kung Fu Movies (al sardinas) > 3. Tuhon Bill's Post (rocky pasiwk) > 4. Fight scenes (Information at Pyrczak Publishing) > 5. Re: Movie fight scenes (Buz Grover) > 6. Movie fight scenes (Mark Gibson) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 04:01:27 -0700 (PDT) >From: Dave Belanger >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] movie fight scene >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >The elusive movie title you seek is "Rapid Fire", >starring Brandon Lee and Powers Booth (remember 'eagle >driver' from Red Dawn?) > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "al sardinas" >To: >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:00:54 -0400 >Subject: [Eskrima] Old Kung Fu Movies >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >In reference to what Tuhon Bill wrote regarding movie fight scenes, I >preferred the Music Palace movie theater that was located on the Bowery >over >the Sun Sing that was located in the rear of Chinatown near Madison Street. >The theater was a lot bigger and had a better sound system if I recall >correctly. Unfortunately, like the Sun Sing, it has also closed. I enjoyed >watching Chen Ku Tai, Chen Sing, David Chang, Ti Lung and Kurata every week >and I did not mind the Chinese language with English subtitles. There are a >lot of movies I could recommend seeing but I will only mention one movie - >the first Kung Fu movie that I saw - "The One Armed Swordsman" starring >David Chang and Ti Lung. I saw this in 1972 and maybe it was a precursor to >my affection with the FMA. There is also another version with Wang Yu but >my >preference is the one with David Chang. While on the subject of old Kung Fu >movies, if anybody has a copy of the movie "The Mandarin Magician" please >contact me off list. Thanks. > > >Respectfully, >Al Sardinas >Student of Garimot System of Arnis > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "rocky pasiwk" >To: >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:27:21 -0400 >Subject: [Eskrima] Tuhon Bill's Post >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Hey Tuhon Bill, > > I have way to many fight scene favorite's to list, so I figured I would >post >what I hate in a fight scene. > > I despise for the most part Van Damm type of fights. Where a guy gets >kicked >in the face a dozen times by a guy wearing combat boots, and he isn't even >bleeding. Or he takes on 10 guys who all happen to attack one at a time. >How >come I never get that lucky??? The worse ass kicking I ever got was from 3 >guys outside a night club I had some interest in. They came at me all at >once, >nothing like the movie stuff, I got some licks in but man if my buddy >hadn't >come out the back door I might not be typing this post. Of course my friend >( >a non martial artist ) says man you need to study more Bruce Lee movies, he >could beat hell out of 3 guys before getting out of bed. > > So anyways I remember when Segal came out with Above the Law and man I >thought his fight scene's were great, he would hit a guy in the mouth and >the >guy would actually bleed, he would check kick a guy's knee from the side >and >blow his knee out, and the guy couldn't fight no more. He add a degree of >reality to the scene's. At least thats my opinion. > > A.) I hate scene's where a guy can take incredible beating's, and not >even >bleed. > >B.) On the flip side I hate scene's where a guy hits someone once and >knocks >them out, if you ever been in a street fight you know for the most part it >is >hard to knock someone out with one shot. > >C.) I really enjoy the far fetched fight scene's like in the matrix, >because >there is a viable explanation as to why they can do all the incredible >things >they do, its in the story line. I enjoy watching the traps, and counters, >the >foot work its really cool. > >D.) I really hate all the Eskrima that has been filtering into the movies >over >the last 10 years, yet no one ever really mentions the FMA's, you would >think >that someone could work the name Eskrima, Arnis, Kali, or at least Filipino >Martial arts into the dialog of a movie. After Keano Reeves beat hell out >of a >dozen or so of the bad guys with sinwalli techniques in Matrix Reloaded, it >would have been so cool if he would have just paused for a second and said >" >Woa I know Eskrima dude" > >Rocky > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: "Information at Pyrczak Publishing" >To: >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:28:28 -0700 >Subject: [Eskrima] Fight scenes >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Hello all, > >For the first time I feel I can add my 1 ½ cents in. > >I like watching Jackie Chan fights. I am in no way an authority but they >are >entertaining and creative for the audience. Keep in mind my opinion is >based >on a movie go’er view and not as a martial artist. I hope that one day I >can >formulate a opinion as a martial artist. Of course, thinking that he still >performs his own stunts completely blows me away too (martial artist or >not.) > >Jason > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:02:50 -0400 >From: Buz Grover >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Movie fight scenes >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Tuhon Bill asks: >  >"What does a movie fight scene have to deliver to get on your favorites >list? What elements make a good fight scene?" > >I've several criteria, some of them contradictory. I like scenes that >are consistent with the rest of the film, that fit with a film's >context. A dumb story that strings together interesting fight scenes >doesn't do it for me. Think a lot of old Chuck Norris movies fall in >this category. If a flick is going to go over the top, it's gotta do so >whole heartedly, no pussyfooting around. > >I like films that expand my horizons, make me look at things in new >ways, or cause me to reconsider something. If a film is set in a >historical context, I like a feel of authenticity, like a sense the >writer and director accurately and consistently portray the setting. >You mentioned Seven Samurai, I think the Magnificent Seven did a good >job of Westernizing the story. Fistful of Dollars did a good job of >retelling Yojimbo, while the Bruce Willis knock off, Last Man Standing, >pretty much sucked. > >Some movies that illustrate these points: > >Zulu, one of my all time favorites. Though the hand to hand elements >won't wow this crowd, the flick has a lot going for it. There's a >Master Sergeant character, the Color Sergeant I think he's called, who >is a consummate professional as he goes about his bayonet work. The >film also does a good job of capturing the vagaries of war: a cattle >gate left open allows a stampede at a pivotal moment, a ne'er do well >private steps up when things get grim, a wounded Boer won't stay in the >hospital, doing some interesting crutch and bayonet work instead. The >film fairly faithfully depicts the battle of Rourke's Drift where a few >hundred British soldiers were attacked by ten thousand or so Zulu >warriors who had just wiped out a British column. Think a dozen or so >Victoria Crosses got awarded during this one engagement. Great flick >all the way around. > >Michael Mann, of Miami Vice fame, films are one of my guilty pleasures. >The hand to hand fighting in his Last of the Mohicans was done well, >the gunstock club the last Mohican carried was way cool, and some of >the tactics like shoot the guy with your musket before he shot you and >then take his musket and repeat the process was something I hadn't seen >before. Mann also did a nice, tight little caper film you don't hear >much about anymore named Thief. Toward the end the protagonist, played >by James Caan, has to clear a house of antagonists using a 1911 Colt; >no slow motion dive rolls through windows with a gun in each hand held >ghetto style here, rather a very methodical attack where the >percentages are played. Mann's film Heat also had some of the most >realistic gunplay I've seen. > >Tuhon Bill mentioned Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai. He's got many >others worth checking out like Rashomon, Dersu Uzala, Kagemusha, Ran, >Throne of Blood, and many more. One film, Sanjuro, has a one move sword >duel at the end that is one of the most amazing minimalist fight scenes >ever shot. Japanese director Hiroshi Inagaki also has quite a few films >with good fight scenes, his trilogy about swordsman Miyamoto Musashi >was well worth seeing. > >I'll close by mentioning one of my flat out over the top goofy >favorites: Evil Dead 3, Army of Darkness. Though the fight scenes >aren't the most technically adept you're going to see, when battling >evil dead you can get away with a lot you can't when fighting living >beings. And hey, where else will you see someone with a chain saw for a >left hand battling it out with zombies? Everyone I've ever played this >movie for has ended up rolling on the floor, in large part 'cause of >the fight scenes. It's a total hoot. > >Regards, > >Buz Grover > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Mark Gibson" >To: >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:48:24 -0400 >Subject: [Eskrima] Movie fight scenes >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >>Then go and listen with your eyes closed to the scene in Enter >>the >Dragon (1973) where Bruce Lee fights Han's guards >>underground. You can >tell just by the sound that Lee's fight >>is.more dramatic than most Hong >Kong fights of that time > >Tuhon Bill, great post. One thing that Lee had in his films was control >of >the fight sequences. The editor is probably the one person who can enhance >or destroy a great fight scene. I remember hearing about the film "The >killer Elite" Guro Inosanto has said that the best footage ended up cut. >I >also remember how disappointed I was with the Game of Death release. If >you >get a chance, get the dvd documentary (whose name i cant recall) that has >the footage edited to Bruce Lee's original notes. > >One of my favorite fight scenes is the Bruce Lee - Chuck Norris fight from >Way of the Dragon. Great camera angles and emotion. Todays action >sequences tend to look like music videos, fast cuts etc. > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >http://eskrima-fma.net >Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember 9-11! > >End of Eskrima Digest