>To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #207 - 8 msgs >Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 03:01:48 -0700 > >Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." > > ><<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. >1600 members. >Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). > >See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Mabuhay ang eskrima! > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Lethal weapons (Ken Grubb) > 2. Re: Heroes This Weekend Only! (braulio agudelo) > 3. Fight Favs (Marc Denny) > 4. Wing Chun-Silat (Khalkee@netscape.net) > 5. Re:heat (Richard KILLICK) > 6. Response to Tuhon Bill & Sundry Citizenship Meanderings (Buz Grover) > 7. Re: Response to Tuhon Bill & Sundry Citizenship > Meanderings (MarkLugtu@aol.com) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Ken Grubb" >To: >Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Lethal weapons >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:28:59 -0400 >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Mike Koblic wrote: > > > they will have to pry my doctor from my dead cold fingers... > >And would they be prying your cold dead fingers from around your doctor's >neck? > >Ken Grubb >Lower Paxton Twp, PA >--------------------------------- >"Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant." > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:36:20 -0700 (PDT) >From: braulio agudelo >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Heroes This Weekend Only! >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Glad I made it to the Friday show. >Great performance by the whole cast and tribute to GM >Giron. >Historical background, slide photos, acting, dance and >martial arts... > > >--- Dexter Labonog wrote: > > Some Eskrima entertainment for those of you in the > > SF Bay area. A > > dedication to those early Filipino immigrants and > > their contribution to this > > land we call United States of America. > > > > http://www.kularts.org/kularts_presents/events.html > > > > > > When: Friday & Saturday May 30-31, 2003, 8pm. > > Where: SomArts Cultural Center, 934 Brannan Street, > > between 8th & 9th Streets, in San Francisco > > > > Tickets: $12 advance/$15 at the door; call > > 415/864-4126 or e-mail > > info@apiculturalcenter.org > > > > On Saturday only, there will be a special appearance > > by the San Jose-based > > traditional Pilipino string music ensemble, > > Fil Am Vets Rondalla. > > > > During World War II, thousands of other immigrant > > American-Pilipino farm workers, were "allowed" to > > enlist in Pilipino > > Regiment Infantry of the U.S. Army. This new work > > explores courage, > > brutality of war, romance and victory of W.W.II > > Pilipino American soldiers > > who fought in the > > Philippines. > > > > Featuring: > > Fides Enriquez, Rona Fernandez, Tom Flores, June > > Gotico, Gene Inis, Jesse > > Joven, Terry > > Joven, Lisa Juachon, Joel Juanitas, Sam Juanitas, > > Dexter Labonog, Tricia > > Ong, Tisay Opaon, Marcus Quilenderino, Carolina San > > Juan, > > Daryll Santuray, Jose 'Flipchild' Saenz and Edward > > Talisayan > > > > > > HEROES is dedicated to Leovigildo Giron. 1911-2002. > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 1600 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > > Resource > > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Marc Denny" >To: >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:38:21 -0700 >Subject: [Eskrima] Fight Favs >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Woof All: > > I too liked the Zulu movie. Off the top of my head, some favs of mine >in >no particular order: > >1) Dan Inosanto vs. Bruce Li in "The Chinese Stuntman" (available, ahem, in >our "The Grandfathers Speak")-- some superb FMA done superbly. >2) The Zato Ichi movies >3) Sundry Kurosawa stuff >4) Some of the early Sean Connery James Bond fights-- great improv with the >environment. >5) pro heavyweight contender Ken Norton in , , , something about his being >a >slave in the New Orleans area and put into some true 'no rules' fights. >Mandingo? >6) The opening knife fight in prison in James Woods "The True Believer"-- >technically not that great, but I liked the emotional content. Also, some >Edward Olmos (something like that) about the Mexican Mafia-- American Me?-- >had some prison knife stuff. >7) Bruce Lee, Return of the Dragon and others including the recently >expanded release of Game of Death. >8) The recent "The Hunted" had some excellent moments-- another example of >FMA (Sayoc Kali) in the movies, and finally, >9) "Bad Boys from Brazil" featuring the Machado Brothers. It may never >have >been released, > but I was in it :-))) > >yip, >Crafty Dog > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:31:31 -0400 >From: Khalkee@netscape.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Wing Chun-Silat >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Can anyone comment on Simonet's "Wing Chun-Silat"? "Extreme Wing Chun"? >"Connecting the Lines"? Private response(s) welcomed. Thanks. > >Mitakuye Oyasin. > >Be well, >Mik > >__________________________________________________________________ >McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >today! >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > >Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "Richard KILLICK" >To: >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:49:12 +0100 >Subject: [Eskrima] Re:heat >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Yes HEAT, it was very interesting to see ones contact drills on the big >screen. One of the things your notice is that people, tell each other when >they are reloading, kneel down to change mags and pepper pot forward >covering each other, which is something most Brit units do. Nicely done and >well filmed. > >Andy Macnab did a good job. > >Still waiting to see Hunted over here in the UK, looks interesting I think >its out on 6 June. > >"Regarding the movie HEAT, I understand that the gun >scenes were choreographed by Andy McNab (his >pseudonym) of Bravo-Two-Zero fame. In the big bank >robbery shoot out, he basically choreographed it from >his point of view if he were caught and trying to >escape. For those unfamiliar with the name, Andy >McNab was an SAS sargent who's patrol was discovered >in Iraq during the Gulf War while tasked to hunt SCUD >missiles and destroy fiber optic cables. Three died, >four were captured and tortured, one got away." > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 15:03:46 -0400 >From: Buz Grover >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Response to Tuhon Bill & Sundry Citizenship Meanderings >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Tuhon Bill responds: > > > That last fight in Sanjuro is one of my favorite movie fights of all > > time! > > That's what I meant when I wrote: "Watch Sanjuro and see how much > > drama is > > packed into the final sword cut of the movie." > > >I agree, but those who check out the flick just for that scene should >watch the whole movie to understand where the tension arises. The >antagonist is an iron clad Bushido zealot, while the protagonist is a >Ronin who is compared to a sword without a sheath. Watching their >actions and characters coalesce at that last cut is what makes the >movie for me. > > > plus two of the baby cart series (I'm too lazy to go down stairs and > > check the names right now, but they star the brother of the actor who > > played Zatoichi). > >You're not talking about Shogun Assassin, are you? Great flick I >haven't seen in a long time. Waaaayy over the top. > >I'm in the process of moving and so have my collection packed away. One >more film did come to mind, though. I'm working from memory here but an >author by the name, I believe, of Mark Salzman wrote a book 15 or so >years ago about his travels in China where he worked as an English >teacher. Titled Iron and Silk, the book did an amazing job of conveying >Salzman's love of Wu Shu and the whole fish out of water experience of >being an English teacher in post Gang of Four China. Several years >later Salzman shot an independent film about the book that has several >solo and tandem Wu Shu scenes in it that left me agog. Salzman's >primary teacher, Master Pan (who I understand had roles in quite a few >Gung Fu movies) has a fearsome screen presence. Definitely seems like a >guy you wouldn't want to annoy. > >Changing topics here, Mike Koblic, with tongue planted firmly in cheek, >I suspect, responds to a report of Doctor caused deaths with a call for >Doctor Control, noting Doctors are licensed and registered. Forgive me >if I appear too sensitive, but those of us who think the Second >Amendment actually means what it says are so accustomed our side of the >argument being overlooked by the media conglomerates that we tend to >chime in whenever we can. As such, when someone points out to me that, >for instance, drivers are licensed and cars are registered I respond by >saying driving is not a constitutionally protected activity and citizen >militias armed only with automobiles cannot provide the check against a >tyrannical government the framers of the constitution envisioned. > >Expanding things further, I'm thinking getting a grad degree in history >mostly as an excuse to further study incidents where an armed citizenry >confronted or thwarted a government that did not adequately represent >its citizen's interest. I'm interested, moreover, in the role those >with martial skills play in these citizen militias. As I've implied in >ED before, I think citizenship duties should be one the things martial >artists keep in mind as they train, and should convey their sense of >those duties to those they teach. It's not very difficult to find >instances throughout US history where an armed citizenry swayed the >government: the Seminole wars, Shay's Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, >various Revolutionary War engagements, and so on all serve to >illustrate the role an armed populace can play. > >This role of an armed citizenry isn't simply an archaic one; two recent >instances where armed citizens confronted dubious government >ends--Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge in Idaho and the Branch Davidians in >Waco, Texas--demonstrate armed citizens can alter the way governments >exercise power. Make no mistake, I'm no fan of bigots or religious >zealots, and I am not arguing that those with a beef with the mayor >should shoot up city hall. I note, however, that quite a bit of >constitutional law we now consider sacrosanct was made at what was then >considered the fringes. Perhaps Crafty can help out here as I have all >my law texts packed up, but the Miranda warnings were established when >some two-bit thief got arrested and questioned, some of the case law >cited by the civil rights movement was created when the right of the Ku >Klux Klan to protest and assemble was upheld, voter's rights laws were >established when backwater bigots made it difficult for blacks to >register and vote, and so on. > >Bottom line is by the time the snipers and SWAT teams get to the people >sipping tea in Georgetown parlors, it's already too late. Government >excesses are far more likely to occur out on the fringe, and we should >heed the lessons of the fringe as they are indicative of the underlying >ethos government agencies embrace. As citizens in a participatory >democracy we have a duty to understand the issues and make informed >decisions. As martial artists living within this society, we need to >remember and convey that our skills can help preserve the freedoms we >cherish. And we need to consider just what it would take for us to step >up and risk having sticks, sword, firearms, or Doctors pried from our >cold dead fingers. > >Yikes, Ray, hope my meanderings don't make things too lively for you. > >Regards, > >Buz Grover > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: MarkLugtu@aol.com >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:04:24 EDT >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Response to Tuhon Bill & Sundry Citizenship > Meanderings >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >just to contribute, i saw a documentary titled The secret of the warriors >power. One of the featured personality is master pan, he is a true master >of >kung fu and a well decorated military officer in china. if im not >mistaken, he >is honored with a statue in the shaolin temple. > i have question to you guys, what's your opinion regarding the the >double stick fight sequence in kiss of the draon with jet li. I' m no >expert in >fma but i find this prticular scene quite entertaining and well >choreographed. >i know it was done by chinese fight coordinators but do you think its got >elements of fma, or do chinese martial arts also have double stick style of >figthing. i think it is also a homage to the dojo fight sequence of bruce >lee in >fist of fury. > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >http://eskrima-fma.net >Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember 9-11! > >End of Eskrima Digest