>To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #210 - 9 msgs >Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:50:02 -0700 > >Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." > > ><<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. >1600 members. >Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. 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Tactical Knives magazine (bill m) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:29:20 -0700 (PDT) >From: NAVARRO FULBERT >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] movies >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >GREETINGS EVERYONE!!! > > I see that there's a good topic >here to discuss about...I just heared from a friend >that there's a very good movie commming sometime in >August or sort of...the title was "The Last Samurai" >he said it has very good fight scenes everyone should >see...the matrix reloaded too has awesome fight scenes >although some are badly exaggerated like his fight >with the freed agent smith and Morpheus' fight with >those twins (he could have just requested for a rocket >launcher and blew those bastards to kingdom come than >slicing them with a katana)... > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:03:23 -0700 >From: "Michael Merilos" >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] movies >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >one movie that I thought had some pretty awesome fight scene is DRIVE. It >stars Mark Dacoscas > >Mike Merilos >star_tip_hat_md_wht.gif >Personal Service Manager >Excelligence Learning Corporation >800-627-2829 >800-879-3753 fax >831-333-2558 Direct > >< mailto:mmerilos@excelligencemail.com> > > >hat.html> > > >hat.html> > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:01:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: dan mcconnell >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] multiple arts post >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Why would it have to be an overconfidant AMERICAN as >opposed to an overconfidant anyrace? I don't think >that to hide a knife and then pull it out at the last >minute necessarily means that the other guy was >overconfidant. >Guro Dan McConnell > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). >http://calendar.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: "David Del-Pilar" >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:26:36 -0500 >Subject: [Eskrima] Best of the Best 4 >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Steve > >I know one of the players in the movie is an old friend of mine, Mike >Mukatis, a veteran stuntman/actor, as well as a longtime FMA player. Most >questions about who is in a movie, or who played this or that character >can be answered at imdb.com > >Dave DelPilar > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "LARRY ST. CLAIR" >To: >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:35:55 -0500 >Subject: [Eskrima] The Edge 2003 Results! >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Hey Everyone, > >What a day :) > >It was the best that I think we could have asked for on saturday. The >weather was almost perfect (for a Texas summer) and we were able to attract >over 200 spectators to come >out and cheer on all of the competitors. We had 15 competitors from all >over Texas show to compete and every one of them seemed hungry to win. The >intensity was definitely there and everyone was digging deep to win in the >103 degree weather. > >Congratulations to everyone that competed in our first event. We are >looking at the Fall Season to do another one and keep the quality and >excitement of the Filipino arts out there for the public eye to see and >enjoy. > >Thanks to Pointman Productions, Cold Steel and Stubbs BBQ for sponsoring >this great event. > >Below are the results of the tournament... > >BLADED STICK DIVISION - point and kill shot >1st place - Dung Duong (Austin Tx) >2nd place - Ray Purdy (Cedar Hill Tx) >3rd place - Chris Cahill (Austin Tx) > >BLADED KNIFE DIVISION - point and kill shot >1st place - Jason Lemond (Austin Tx) >2nd place - Damon Stith (Austin Tx) >3rd place - Brian Fisher (Austin Tx) > >OPEN KNIFE SUBMISSION DIVISION >Title Belt - 1st place - Jason Lemond (Austin Tx) >2nd place - Damon Stith (Austin Tx) >3rd place - Issa Kafena (Austin Tx) > >OPEN STICK SUBMISSION DIVISION >Title Belt - 1st place - Jason Lemond (Austin Tx) >2nd place - Brian Fisher (Austin Tx) >3rd place - Dung Duong (Austin Tx) > >Larry St. Clair >The Edge 2003 >The Center of Martial Arts >www.centerofmartialarts.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "jay de leon" >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com >Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:34:56 +0000 >Subject: [Eskrima] Jesse Manibusan and the Art of War according to >Filipinos >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Jesse brings up several interesting observations, relative to fighting >(with >or without the use of martial arts) in the Philippines. > >In the Philippines, your well-being and street survival depends not only on >your technical skills but in your street smarts and other intangible >factors >including : > >(1) your ability to hide your skills, weapons, strategy and intentions, >sometimes even your identity. With strangers, we never mentioned we were >FMA practitioners. Instead of confronting you, an attacker will just club >you with a lead pipe from behind instead of risking a face to face fight if >he knows you are a skilled fighter. On the other hand, we always looked >for >telltale signs of other martial artists or fighters, such as calloused >knuckles and too many scars. We always scanned for bulges for weapons. In >parties, we would deliberately bump people from behind if we suspected they >had nunchuks hidden at the back of their pants at the waist. During my >time, in addition to the usual guns and knives, nunchuks were commonplace. >One time, at a fight during a party, I saw a barkada of mine (fellow >martial >artist) swing his nunchuk at a fleeing car driver as the driver peeled off. >He missed but took out the door handle. > >(2) "gulang" at "daya." Literally, "gulang" means advantage, and "daya" >means cheat. The whole mind set is to win the fight, taking advantage of >everything in your power (terrain, weapons, guile, etc.) and cheating if >you >have to, especially if the odds are against you. > >Jesse's example illustrates that. Big guy thinks he has the advantage and >attacks a seemingly hapless little Filipino, who is actually armed and >probably a competent knife fighter. All of a sudden, the advantage has >shifted to the other side. > >Story #1 - My brother was a high school student and was outside of a >recreation center with three other high school friends. Seven college >students (much bigger and a few years older) showed up and picked a fight >with them, thinking they have the advantage. This was a big mistake, as >the >four friends were battle-hardened street fighters. As soon as the fight >started, my brother whipped out his belt with a heavy belt buckle and took >out two guys. One of his friends grabbed a rock and caved in a guy's >chest. > The rest of the college boys were soundly thrashed. I know all the >details as I had to bail out my brother. > >Story #2 - My friend George and I had to pick up his date at one of the >worst neighborhoods in Manila. She was pretty as the neighborhood was >sordid. The situation could not have been worse. She lived halfway down >an >"eskinita", an alley meant for foot traffic only, and there was a sari-sari >store with at least half a dozen guys drinking in between. I went on foot >to get her, while George stayed in the car (a late model Mustang) with the >motor idling. As I passed the guys, they whistled at me to come drink with >them, an invitation to trouble. I politely declined, kept walking and got >George's date. Now just like in the Joseph Estrada movies, this is where >the goons attack and he levels everyone with his martial arts. Sorry to >disappoint you. Nothing happened, because the drunken bozos probably >guessed the truth. George was sitting calmly in the car with his .45, just >in case. > >Story #3 - If you think road rage is bad here, it is deadly in the >Philippines. I have seen fistfights, empty hands vs. lead pipe (called >tubo), lead pipe vs. lead pipe, lead pipe vs. balisong, etc. stemming from >vehicular incidents. The weirdest one happened while I was riding a public >bus from college to home. The bus broke down on Quezon Blvd. Two male >passengers decided to teach the driver a lesson for being careless with the >maintenance of his bus and beat him up before hoofing it home. My friend >Henry C., a non-martial artist, rode a motorcycle all over Manila and saved >his skin from road rage many a time simply because he conveniently packed a >nikelado (nickle-plated .45). > >The point is you, in addition to your technical skills, you use whatever >strategy (show or hide your cards), weapons, guile, deceit, incantations or >oraciones, etc., your Art of War, that will bring you victory or survival. > >Jay de Leon > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Michael Koblic" >To: "Eskrima digest" >Cc: "Christine" >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:34:25 -0700 >Subject: [Eskrima] Doctors v. gun-owners >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >"Ok. I don't get the logic here (nor the statistical analysis). Or even >the statistics. If gun owners are 9,000 times less dangerous than gun >owners then maybe you should go to a gun owner, instead of a doctor, the >next time you need medical care, or a heart attack, stroke, baby >delivery or an accident." > >***Actually, your best bet is a gun-owning doctor... > > >"Don't get me wrong. I'm a gun owner and grew up with guns. I'm for >ownership. I also worked in a hospital and will give credit to those >doctors that try to help people and save lives. Do you realize how >complicated their profession is compared to pulling (or not pulling) a >trigger? The complexity of the human body and the decisions they have to >make." > >***Pulling the trigger is easy. Pulling it at the right time, right place, >for the right reason and with the hollow bit of the gun pointing in the >right direction is devillishly difficult! Particularly if someone is >spraying lead in my direction. I can vaguely understand the right ventricle >but the triple-safety on the Glock has me foxed completely. I just trust >that it is there and working. > > Give them some credit. Common man! I'm also a mathematics major so >those statistics and conclusion really look funny. > >***OK, I bow to your superior training - I still get mean, mode and median >confused. But then in our school the Theory of Relativity was explained as >follows: "3 hairs in your soup is relatively too much, but 3 hairs on your >head is relatively too little." > >:-) :-) :-) > >Mike Koblic, >Campbell River, BC > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >From: "Ken Grubb" >To: >Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Doctors v. gun-owners >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:06:12 -0400 >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Michael Koblic wrote: > > > Actually, your best bet is a gun-owning doctor... > >I'll second that. > > > Pulling the trigger is easy. Pulling it at the right time, right > > place, for the right reason and with the hollow bit of the gun > > pointing in the right direction is devillishly difficult! > >The experience of gunowners here in the states hasn't shown that to be the >case. By and large, private citizens successfully rely upon the >"reasonable >man" standard in applying deadly force. Not many go in for advanced >training (LFI, FAS, Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, etc.) either the classroom >legal >stuff or the tactical bang-bang stuff. > > > Particularly if someone is spraying lead in my direction. > >For the private citizen, this is rarely an issue. Concealment means >surprise. For police, that obviously is a far, far, far different issue. >Some would say the two groups of police are "them who bin shot at" and >"them >who are gonna git shot at". > > > I can vaguely understand the right ventricle but the triple-safety > > on the Glock has me foxed completely. > >I get the basic design intent and operation behind both. I couldn't >intelligently articulate how the Glock safety works, I just know it PTGB -- >Pull Trigger Go Boom. > >Ken Grubb >Lower Paxton Twp, PA > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >From: "bill m" >To: >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:13:54 -0400 >Subject: [Eskrima] Tactical Knives magazine >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >I just received the Sept 03 issue of Tactical Knives magazine and would >like >to recommend several articles from it. > >The Tom Brown Tracker knife from the movie The Hunted is reviewed as well >as >the movie itself in another article. I haven't seen the movie yet, but if >you >have, then the articles should interest you. > >Two more articles really caught my eye. One was on bolos, barongs and >goloks >made by the Valiant Knife Company. I have seen some of this company's >blades >evaluated before. The consensus was always great blades at really great >prices. > >The final article I would like to recommend was on the controversy between >the >techniques of the cut or the thrust using cavalry sabers during the >Napoleonic >wars. > >This article really surprised me as accounts of the battles from survivors >told how a cut with these swords would wound but not incapacitate a man, >while >a thrust would kill. I had been taught that the thrust was a more reliable >fight stopper than the cut when using small knives, but I was surprised to >read that the same was true with swords whose blades where over 30 inches >in >length. >I have seen blades as small as 9 inch bowies make some really impressive >cuts >and have my suspicions as to why the saber cuts failed, but as I have never >tried to cut something with a sword while riding on the back of a charging >horse, I would like a knowledgeable person to look my ideas over (I may do >an >article on the subject). If anyone on the list has knowledge of the history >of >this period and the swords used (or knows of a good contact for such), >please >shoot me an email. > > >Regards, >Tuhon Bill McGrath >Email: tuhonbill@pekiti-tirsia.com >PTI website: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/ > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >http://eskrima-fma.net >Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember 9-11! > >End of Eskrima Digest