Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #215 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Stuff for auction and for sale (SumWhiteGuy) 2. 92.687% (Marc Denny) 3. Re: Vorpal Sheath (Kel620@aol.com) 4. Re: Thrust vs cut (hudginsg) 5. Classes in the Bronx (EMcguckin@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "SumWhiteGuy" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:33:35 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Stuff for auction and for sale Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a quick blurb for some stuff I have for auction (which includes tapes by Dan Inosanto, Ron Balicki, Chris Petrilli, etc...): http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=mau-tze And numerous MA books and videos I have for sale: http://www.entheal.com/users/gumluncheun/forsale/index.html Please pardon the interruption. Jon. mau-tze@erols.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 06:10:07 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] 92.687% Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof: > Ok. I don't get the logic here (nor the statistical analysis). Or even > the statistics. If gun owners are 9,000 times less dangerous than gun > owners then maybe you should go to a gun owner, instead of a doctor, > the next time you need medical care, or a heart attack, stroke, baby > delivery or an accident. "Stats are interesting things. I heard the other day a statistical study has established that if your parents don't have children, you won't either. Go figure." 92.687% of all statistics are made up. yip! Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:44:12 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net CC: hgroveri@gmu.edu Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Vorpal Sheath Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That sword is a design of custom maker Tom Maringer. I remember reading about his knives/swords and breakfront shoulder carried sheaths in Fighting Knives magazine. I was going to suggest that you contact him to make a sheath for you, but it appears that he doesn't make knives anymore( http://www.shirepost.com/BladeList.html ). Contact Robert Humelbaugh at Survival Sheath( http://www.survivalsheath.com ) or Mike Sastre at River City Sheaths( http://www.rivercitysheaths.com/ ) for a custom made sheath. They do good work. Kelvin Williams In a message dated 6/7/2003 4:50:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Finally, anyone have any recommendations for custom Kydex sheath work? > I recently picked up on a short scimitar type blade called a Vorpal > Maringer. It was made by the now defunct Blackjack knife company and I > don't want to store the sword in its leather sheath; I'm hoping someone > out there has already made a Kydex sheath for the same blade that I > could pick up on. > > Regards, > > Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "hudginsg" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:34:22 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Thrust vs cut Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The final article I would like to recommend was on the controversy between the > techniques of the cut or the thrust using cavalry sabers during the Napoleonic > wars. > > This article really surprised me as accounts of the battles from survivors > told how a cut with these swords would wound but not incapacitate a man, while > a thrust would kill. I had been taught that the thrust was a more reliable > fight stopper than the cut when using small knives, but I was surprised to > read that the same was true with swords whose blades where over 30 inches in > length. > I have seen blades as small as 9 inch bowies make some really impressive cuts > and have my suspicions as to why the saber cuts failed, but as I have never > tried to cut something with a sword while riding on the back of a charging > horse, I would like a knowledgeable person to look my ideas over (I may do an > article on the subject). If anyone on the list has knowledge of the history of > this period and the swords used (or knows of a good contact for such), please > shoot me an email. > Just read Bill McGrath's thread on cut vs. thrust on 6/3 I have a book at home (I will get the name) written in the 1800's (a reprint) that explains the cut vs thrust and the weapons construction and the advantages and reasons for it. Some weapons are built for the thrust such as the rapier and dagger. Some weapons are built for the cut such as Kukri knife and scientar (sp?). Others are adapted for both the cut and thrust -- Katana. Basically, the book indicated that the thrust was more deadly than the cut. To prove the point the author studied old texts which compared cut vs thrust and there was a study of battlefield wounds. This author reviewed text from the Greeks to their present day. A cutting weapon is generally curved so that the service will slice when applied in an arc. The thrusting weapons are straight. Giving point implies a straight thrusting. The Greeks used a short sword which from behind a row of shields could be thrust over and over like a piston. The arm and body cavity was not exposed. Imagine looking at a line of shields side by side and in between each one was a blade that thrust out and then out again. When the Greeks were in formation, their opponents had little target to hit at. the Zulu's did the same with their short spear for thrusting and their shields. They were adapt at attacking in formation shoulder to shoulder with the shield knocking away the opponents weapon or shield and then thrusting their short spear. A curved blade like the Kukri (spelling?) is for chopping or cutting. Rarely because of the angle of the blade do you stab or thrust. In fact a straight thrust has the potential for pulling the knife out of your hand if your hand is bloody and on a thrust too much force is applied to the back side (ridge) of the knife causing it to lever down against the open part of the hand. (An unintended disarm) The Calvary are said to use their sabers in a charge by giving point. From horseback the saber is used sharp edge up (if there really is a sharp edge) at the end of the extended arm. Why would they use the blade inverted??? My thoughts. If the blade side of the weapon was down as it entered a body at high speed on the back of the horse, the blade would tend to pull down like a paddle in the water. Without actually paddling using only one hand, place a paddle from a canoe it he water ahead of you. As the canoe moves forward the paddle is pulled to the rear until your arm and paddle are extended behind you. With the blade down if it entered a body and you and your horse were still moving forward, a great deal of force would be put on the back of the blade (the unsharp portion) as you moved forward. As you pass your target your arm and blade would be pulled to your rear because the force is applied to the back (ridge) of the blade. Because of the concave surface of the back of the blade, it would seem more force would be applied against the blade as you move forward. Possibly enough force to pull it from your hand? If the blade entered the victims body with your arm extended - sharp side up - from horse back, as you move forward the impaled body would be placing the force against the sharp edge of the blade. This would continue the cut as the arm is pulled down traveling in its extended arc. This would allow it to continue to cut as the arm is pulled down and would let it slide out of the victims body. The convex side (sharp side) would not hang up as much as the concave side. I look up some of what the book says. Suddenly I remembered the name of the Book. The Book of the Sword by Sir Edward Burton. I will look it up to be sure. G H. > prices. > >> > Regards, > Tuhon Bill McGrath > Email: tuhonbill@pekiti-tirsia.com > PTI website: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/ > > > -- __--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > http://eskrima-fma.net > Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com > Standard disclaimers apply. > Remember 9-11! > > End of Eskrima Digest --__--__-- Message: 5 From: EMcguckin@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:11:45 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Classes in the Bronx Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, I am new to this board and was hoping that someone out there would know if anyone offered FMA classes in the Bronx or Westchester. I have looked at the classes offered in NYC but I don't know who a good instructor is or what the difference in styles are. Any help or advice would be appreciated. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest