Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:01:48 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #216 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. True dat, true dat (rocky pasiwk) 2. Phalanx (Marc Denny) 3. The Hunted article- original (Steven Drape) 4. Re: Cut and Thrust from The Book of the Sword (hudginsg) 5. Jimmy and TSE ? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 09:35:13 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] True dat, true dat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Crafty Wrote: >Stats are interesting things. I heard the other day a >statistical study >has established that if your parents don't have >children, you won't >either. Go figure." >92.687% of all statistics are made up. >yip! >Crafty Dog You never cease to amaze me Craft Master. For a guy who can't figure out why his sister has Two brothers and he only has one !!!! You sure come up with some good ones.. Rocky --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:28:21 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Phalanx Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof: T'was written: > Basically, the book indicated that the thrust was more deadly than the cut. > To prove the point the author studied old texts which compared cut vs > thrust and there was a study of battlefield wounds. This author reviewed > text from the Greeks to their present day. A cutting weapon is generally > curved so that the service will slice when applied in an arc. The thrusting > weapons are straight. Giving point implies a straight thrusting. > > The Greeks used a short sword which from behind a row of shields could be > thrust over and over like a piston. The arm and body cavity was not > exposed. Imagine looking at a line of shields side by side and in between > each one was a blade that thrust out and then out again. When the Greeks > were in formation, their opponents had little target to hit at. > > the Zulu's did the same with their short spear for thrusting and their > shields. They were adapt at attacking in formation shoulder to shoulder > with the shield knocking away the opponents weapon or shield and then > thrusting their short spear. Normally I lurk only on these historical questions, and give a yip here only to note that, if I inderstand the point correctly, the thrusting here is used not because it is better for killing, but safer to do i.e. it fits with the phalanx. Noted military historian John Keegan in him book "The History of War" considers the development of the phalanx to be an important evolutionary step. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:54:13 +0300 From: "Steven Drape" To: Subject: [Eskrima] The Hunted article- original Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All. Black Belt's May issue has been out for quite a while now, so I have posted the original version of "The Hunted" article on our website- http:// www,kbs-system.com. The one on the website is what was sent to the mag, and what was printed was after they edited it. Since I have not yet seen the magazine (I am still in Saudi Arabia), I can't comment on how much was changed or deleted, and it's only on the site for the curious. Check out another new article on Tuhon Bo Sayoc's Finger Touch System. It's amazing stuff, and as one of his most frequent subjects, I can vouch for its effectiveness and the amount of pain created! There is another article listed on the Psychology of the Blade, but that has been accepted for publication at some future date by Black Belt, so until it comes out, I won't post it on the site. Finally, I'll be leaving Saudi Arabia in a week or so (Thank God!) and returning to the Philippines. I'm retiring from teaching at the university level, and will begin a training and tour business in Cebu. Click on the link for Training in the Philippines on the website for more info. Steve [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "hudginsg" To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:46:13 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Cut and Thrust from The Book of the Sword Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cut and Thrust: I have to correct my self in my last listing. I referred to the Greeks when I should have said Romans. The following is an excerpt from Richard F. Burton's The BOOK OF THE SWORD, Originally printed 1884. My copy is a reprint by Dover Publications Page 126: "I have given precedence to the curved blade because cutting is more familiar to man than thrusting. Human nature strikes 'rounders' until severe training teaches it to hit out straight from the shoulder. Again, the sabre-form would naturally be assumed by the sharpened club during the wooden age of imperfect edges; and the penetrating power would be weak and almost nil when he point was merely a fire-hardened stick." "Yet there is not question of superiority between the thrust and the cut. As the diagram 1 shows, A, who delivers point, has an advantage in time and distance over B, who uses edge. Indeed, the man who first 'gave point' made a discovery which more than doubled the capability of his weapon. Vegetius tells us that the Roman victories were owing to the use of the point rather than the cut; 'When cutting, the right arm and flank are exposed, whereas during thrust the body is guarded, and the adversary is wounded before he perceives it.; Even now it is remarked in hospitals that punctured wounds in the thorax or abdomen generally kill, while the severest incisions often heal. Hence Napoleon Bonaparte, at Aspronne, ordered the cavalry of the Guard to give point. ... Moreover, the history of the 'white arm' tells us that the point led to the guard or parry proper, and this 'defence with the weapon of offence' completed theidea of the Sword as now understood in Europe." gh --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Jimmy and TSE ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone know where Jimmy Tacosa of Tacosa Serrada Eskrima (TSE) is living and teaching these days? Is he still on Guam? or??? Just curious. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest