>To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #234 - 7 msgs >Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:01:48 -0700 > >Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." > > ><<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. >1600 members. >Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. 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Re: Sparing, Dexterty, Street confrontations, lapu lapu vinas > arnis (Johnaleen) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Stef Morley" >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Size in context. >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:54:33 +0100 >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Lisa & all, > >When you use the terms 'bout' and 'fencing' I can't help but think your >observations are limited to the arena of sparring or competition. > >If the 6ft 4" 300lb adrenalised maniac in question is tearing into you with >the intention of burying his beer glass into your face, then - all due >respect - but I know where my money's going! > >If ALL other things are equal (which they ussually ar'nt) I'd rather have >size than not! > > >Regards, > >Stef > > > >From: "Lisa Walter" > >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: size > >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:58:39 -0400 > > >Then I am not sure I understand the original statement. If what you say >is > >true, a larger person is less dexterous and has more inertia. That would > >play against him or her in a fight, and this is exactly what I have found > >in my bouts with larger individuals. So why would anyone feel that larger > >is better? > > >No, I don't agree with this at all. I have learned how to use my size > >efficiently and am now equally comfortable fencing smaller or larger > >opponents. It wasn't always like that and it took years for me to get to > >where I am. But I learned how to use my size against larger people. I use > >dexterity efficiently against brute strength. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >_______________________________________________ > >Eskrima mailing list, 1600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > >_________________________________________________________________ >Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Ld470@aol.com >Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:23:52 EDT >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: size >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >hello all, > > please allow me to toot my own horn for a minute; > > i'm 5'5 135 lbs.i'm quite the runt and i win alot of fights. i've won >plenty >of street altercations against larger opponents. i win many tournaments >against larger opponenets. i usually fight in open weight classes in WEKAF >double >stick divisions and won gold medals at the 2002 east coast WEKAF regionals >in >single and double stick divisions against larger opponents. i took a gold >and a >silver in single and double ( respectively ) at the 2001 east coast >regionals >also facing larger opponents . i find that my toughest opponents are >usually >small guys like myself. we're fast , wirey and tend to have plenty of >endurance. i'm not saying that i can beat all larger opponents but i will >say that >the bigger you are the more i'll hit you in the knees. > > thank you , > the little guy > >p.s. you might be able to hit me , but first you've gotta catch me! > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:14:34 +0100 (BST) >From: jonbroster@another.co.uk >To: eskrima digest < eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Escrima wall emblems >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Hi > >Check out Quick Stick at: > >http://www.quick-stick.de/anglo/frame2.htm > >He carries a vast range of everything you could ever want for FMA practice, >including decorative shields with lots of little sticks and knives on them. > >Jon > > >>>> >Hi, I have 2 questions for you Kali ladies and gentlemen. Do any of you >know where I can purchase Escrima wall emblems? They are the emblems that >have the stick and daggers. Also, does anyone know of any instructors in >Palmdale California? >Thanks! ><<<< > >There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! >http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster > > > >-- >Personalised email by http://another.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: gints@att.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:58:22 +0000 >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: size >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ><< Gints wrote: ><people?>> > > Lisa wrote: > >No, I don't agree with this at all. I have learned how to use my size > >efficiently and am now equally comfortable fencing smaller or larger > >opponents. > >Fencing is not a generality. Have you ever fought, be it a real fight >or a ring/sparring match, with larger person without a weapon? I find your >opinion to be rare when compared to the opinions I've heard from others and >my own personal experience. > > >It wasn't always like that and it took years for me to get to > >where I am. But I learned how to use my size against larger people. I use > >dexterity efficiently against brute strength. > >Perhaps you are an exception. However, I've noticed that fencing >groups matches by sex. If, as you suggest, size and strength don't >make a difference, what is the basis for the separation ? > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "Francis Serrano" >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:30:23 -0500 >Subject: [Eskrima] size >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >You know what... As far as things being equal. There is not such thing, >as being equal. >As we get deeper into the subject, there are way to many variables to look >at. The large >person could have the strenght but not the speed but it will only take one >good punch >and the smaller but yet faster fighter will most likely go down. But if >the smaller fighter >might move enough where the larger fighter might not be able to keep that >level of >energy throughout and thus lowers their defenses ergo the smaller fighter >takes full >advantage of the oppurtunity. > >As a large man myself (300lbs+/-) I found that fighting the smaller person >far more >difficult than a large man or even a larger man than myself. It's like a >semi truck trying >to run over a Mini Cooper, sure it has more power than the Mini but does >it really >matter when you couldn't even keep up with it. But the Cooper knows to >stay away >cauze it will only take one wheel to get rid of it. Stupid anology >whatever but it's true. > >In conclusion after my long winded explenation (sorry for that) there are >way to many >factors there is no such things as "all things being equal." > >Gumagalang, >Francis >-- >__________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Johnaleen" >To: >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:15:47 -0700 >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Sparing, Dexterty, Street confrontations, lapu lapu >vinas > arnis >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Lisa Wrote: No, I don't agree with this at all. I have learned how to use >my >size >efficiently and am now equally comfortable fencing smaller or larger >opponents.* **** > >Clarification question for Lisa: under what circumstances? in the training >hall? in competition? or you saved your life on the streets with it against >a dude under extreme conditions" > >Lisa Wrote: It wasn't always like that and it took years for me to get to >where I am. But I learned how to use my size against larger people. I use >dexterity efficiently against brute strength. >********* > >Lisa i have a question for you, i agree that dexterity and stamina is a >very >strong point in getting you through a bout, a competition sparing match in >Eskrima, or fencing match in traditional western fencing. But, that's not >the same as fighting a larger man on the streets who is at full rage or on >drugs, and you no longer have a stick-sword to help keep distance and >control of the dude. yes if your fast enough and you can keep them from >getting a hold of you its one thing but once he has a hold of you the >dynamics change greatly. add a weapon to the equation again things change >even more. > >I have done both and there is a huge difference, i have spared men 2 times >my weight and size in a ruled stick sparring match by doing as you do, and >by watching their body movements. large men are easer to read in advance >because most of the time they telegraph there movements more because of the >extra body mass. > >However, i want to be sure you understand the difference between a >controlled match-sparing compared to an instance on the streets where you >trying to save your life from being attacked by a bigger larger opponent. a >few days ago i was sparing with a man that was 2 times my size and weight, >it was controlled stick sparing and he had no control. if i was fighting >this same man on the streets though? in a realty based? i would not be >doing >most of the things i was doing in the sparing stick match or in a fencing >match to save myself. > >Also, I am also not sure how big or how much muscle mass your opponents >have >had either, especially if all your doing is western fencing. Because a few >years back, when i was fencing saber it was really hard to find a large >strong man to fence with. Most of the men that fence on a serious level, >that i have faced were of average to light body without a lot of muscle >mass.They had muscle but, it was much more defined based on the traditional >martial science they were practicing. in other words their weight and sized >was not that much of a deciding factor in the matches. > >Lisa i am at the disadvantage here because i really dont know why your >training or what your training goals are. are you learning Eskrima for self >defense or are you learning western fencing? and is your training reasons >for fitness, stress management, sparing, or self defense? Once your on the >streets the dynamics change drastically and you will have to be prepared to >go full contact in close quarters range. I have been in a number of >confrontations on the street, the dynamics in a realty based confrontation >are hugely different then the realities in a sparing match. however, agreed >about dexterity, for saving myself Dexterity was used and many times >mostly >because if your more dexterous then your opponent you can run faster then >they can..........:) > >Unfortunately, if your only a fencing student, its going to be hard for you >to learn what to do in a close quarters ranges in a save your life >situation, see on the streets its more about getting out and getting away, >create a distance and then run.. for a women your right we can change the >odds by training long term and using speed and dexterity to help us do >that. >but it takes years of training and commitment for most to become faster. >Furthermore, the training you do needs to be geared for what its intended >for. > >Bruce Lee was not a large man, based on what i have learned one of the main >reasons he was better then others was because of how fast he was and how >well defined his personal training was based on what he was going to use >his >skills for.That and his overall dedication to making himself the best he >could be. > >However, one of the reasons i categorize FMA-Silat and JKD based arts as >realty based arts for woman, is they are more appropriate based on their >evolution and long term development. Many of the techniques ( if learned >fully and have been trained into you as part of your instinctive refexitive >action) will work for women in the right conditions. One reason is because >FMA-Silat techniques were used by smaller men against larger opponents. I >believe this partly came about, because you have smaller Filipino or >Indonesian tribesmen, fighting against larger men. i.e. the moors or the >Spaniards, ( by no means were they they only ones, this represents only 2 >examples) Please remember smaller men are still men. Women's body's are >different in many cases and something's work better for us and something's >dont work as well based on the different bone and muscle structures of men >and women. This is why its really important to fully learn about the body >mechanics of both genders before counting on a technique to save your life. > >Lisa i have based my comments on all the possibility's of why your >training, >again i have no clue for sure what your reasons are for training and i am >just guessing. Have you taken at least a 40 hour reality based course on >self defense and awareness yet to augment your traditional martial skills? >if you have not you might consider doing so, this will give you a better >idea of what your going to face in a confrontation on the streets for a >women, compared to what your dealing with on the sparing mat or fighting >match in eskrima, or fencing with the sword. > >NOTE to Ray: did anyone every answer back on the Lapu Lapu Vinas Arnis? > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >http://eskrima-fma.net >Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember 9-11! > >End of Eskrima Digest