Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 14:25:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #241 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Ceramic knifes (Ken Grubb) 2. weapons wall board.... (NAVARRO FULBERT) 3. Request for images (Stephen Lamade) 4. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #240 - Cera,mic Knives (Arnisman@aol.com) 5. Re: wall emblems (Bill Lowery) 6. Ceramic knives (darren.d@shaw.ca) 7. Re: Ceramic knifes (Bob Steele) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ken Grubb" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Ceramic knifes Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:10:47 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Richard Killick wrote: > I was in the local gadget shop here in the uk which just > happens to sell some really nice knifes. They are selling > ceramic knifes for £10. Now as I understand the only reason > someone would want a ceramic knife is to avoid detection at > metal detectors etc. Not true. Ceramic blades are harder than steel. There are MANY of them on the market, and they've been there for some time. They come in a variety of shapes and sizes. I've seen pocket sized folders on up to big ol' kitchen variety. However, almost every single one I've ever seen has more than enough steel to set off airport metal detectors, IMHO. [FWIW, I have not personally tested this HO.] The edge life is far better than steel, but they are more brittle than steel. As such, use on frozen items in the kitchen is not recommended and may break the blade. With all that said, there are one or two varieties that I know of, the Mad Dog Mirage X series and perhaps something from Mission, which are intended as fighting knives and supposed magnetically inert. To my knowledge they are only available to military, police, holders of a concealed carry license. They also ain't cheap. I've seen 'em going for between about $300 and $1,000 dollars. > The shop owner said as far as he know they were as good as > metal knifes and they only selling point was they did not > get picked up by metal detectors etc. Unless one experiments going through a metal detector with any given ceramic knife, one cannot be certain it doesn't have a steel bar in it's core. > To me if that's the case there is no point in, given the > current world situation: > A, making them Disagree. Assuming they don't have any value among the citizenry, certain units of the military and police have a need. > B, selling them to 14 year olds. One could say the same thing about steel blades, sling shots, straight razors, any toxic chemical spray (i.e. pesticide). I can recall making a plastic letter opening in Junior High school shop class. Armed with a file, I could probably put a lethal point on it and slip through airport security undetected. > What do you guys think? See above and below. > I have no problem with people who carry knifes that are > metal which hopefully will be picked up at airports but > these ceramic knifes are designed to beat security systems > as far as I know. I have a basic problem in disarming people then providing little semblence of real security. Pre-9/11, I flew commercial U.S. flights on a number of occassions armed with a small Benchmade lock back folder (around 2.9" blade). Only time security ever even opened the blade was at LAX in 2000. >From the rudimentary "safety check" the security prone performed, I could have been carrying upwards of a 3.5" blade. Two or three armed determined passengers with comparable blades probably could have put down any of the terrorists cells on any of the four aircraft on 9/11 without the plane going in the dirt. The U.S. government is filling to blow a commerical airliner outta the sky with an F-16, but passenger cannot carry even a nailfile with which to fight back. Ken Grubb Shaking my head ruefully in Lower Paxton Twp, PA --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: NAVARRO FULBERT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] weapons wall board.... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net GREETINGS... There are lots of people here in cebu who manufactures those kinds of stuffs for interior decoration at home....In fact I have one inside our house, it was given to me by my uncle... if any of you are planning to buyw one always be careful and inspect the merchandise carefully because some are not so nicely made... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:50:43 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Request for images Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am putting out a brochure to advertise my acupuncture practice (I treat martial arts and sports-related injuries, among other things), and need approximately six (6) images showing martial artists sparring, practicing techniques, etc. I will credit you on the brochure and would be happy to upload a mock-up of the brochure to you so that you can see how your image will be represented. Basically, it will appear as an approximately 1"x1" image on a 1 1/2" color bottom border of the brochure. The more "dramatic" the better, and it should be of sufficient quality and pixel resolution for good 4-Color transfer. Any help would be appreciated. Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Arnisman@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:36:18 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #240 - Cera,mic Knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ceramic knives are not a gimmick to beat security. They were not ivented to "beat" security. And they will not pass or beat thermal imaging as done by TSA. Ceramics etc all show up on the scans thank you! They are a boon to the cooking industry and Chefs in general. They have been around for many years. They are great kitchen knives. They stay very sharp and do not discolor food, nor give off tastes as they cut. They are unfortunately not very strong against the grain. If dropped they break easily and they have little lateral strength.. Unfortunately due to a few misgiuded souls in this world and their personal interpretation of how we should all live or die..they have made everyday objects and our relationship to them suspect. Almost anything can be misused or abused...That is an entirely different matter unto itself. The Shop keeper mentioned, if he or she openly states that ceramic knives are to beat metal detectors..needs his or her head examined and needs a "lecture" on what's proper and PC these days.. The selling point again on ceramic knives is their ability to be the best kitchen-cooking knives possible... be safe Bram --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] wall emblems Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:55:26 +0100 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Roy, Yep Alfred Plath's site is available in various languages, and I believe he quotes in Euros, Pounds and Dollars. Bill Lowery --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 10:55:01 -0600 From: darren.d@shaw.ca To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ceramic knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ceramic blades have been around for quite a while. Up till the last year they were all made by one company in japan. No matter what brand you bought, it was made by Kyocera. Being made in japan the cost of these was always high. Now that the Chinese are producing ceramic blades the cost has dropped dramatically. The main selling points have been edge retention, corrosion resistance & food contamination. For corrosion & contamination they work as advertised. You could leave one in salt water for ever with out a problem & they will never leave a metallic taste on food. Edge retention is where the problems exist. If the edge is ground thin enough to take an edge you would consider shaving sharp , it will chip away quickly even under kitchen use. If gound with a heavier bevel they don't seem to cut at all. At this time ceramics are not the way to go, stick with steel. As far as airport security, if you want to get a blade on a plane it shouldn't take you long to figure out way too many ways to do it. Be it metal, ceramic or zytel blade. To defend against a ceramic blade you may consider that they will tolerate very little side force. A few years ago a customer snapped a ceramic kitchen knife in half before my eyes. The small woman was quite shocked that all it took was 2 finger pressure, I was quite shocked at $150 of take down kitchen knife. We have yet to have a satisfied ceramic knife customer. Darren Cutting Edge Cutlery www.swords.ca Message: 3 From: "Richard KILLICK" To: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:04:01 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Ceramic knifes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was in the local gadget shop here in the uk which just happens to sell some really nice knifes. They are selling ceramic knifes for £10. Now as I understand the only reason someone would want a ceramic knife is to avoid detection at metal detectors etc. I dont know to much about them but are there any other plus points that make them good knifes. The shop owner said as far as he know they were as good as metal knifes and they only selling point was they did not get picked up by metal detectors etc. To me if that's the case there is no point in, given the current world situation: A, making them B, selling them to 14 year olds. What do you guys think? I have no problem with people who carry knifes that are metal which hopefully will be picked up at airports but these ceramic knifes are designed to beat security systems as far as I know. Regards Richard Killick --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Bob Steele" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ceramic knifes Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:24:18 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Those are not the reasons for ceramic knives. Ceramic knives are much harder than steel, so they hold an edge much better than steel. They are hard to sharpen, you need a diamond stone to sharpen them. They are extremely brittle. If you have a tile floor in your kitchen and dropped a ceramic knife on it, the knife would have a good chance of chipping or breaking. I dropped one in a glass salad bowl and broke the tip off of it. The ceramic knife I have was made for use in the kitchen. It won't rust, it rarely needs sharpening, and it would make a lousy weapon. Personal philosophy. I'm sorry to here the opinion that something that can go through a metal detector should be prohibited. That seems like a slippery slope. Your reference to the "the current world situation" confounds me. The odds of you having an incident on a plane are astronomically low. For that matter depending on where you live, the odds of you being a victim of violent crime are low. I see on the news everyday shootings and stabbing and muggings and rape... But in the 42 years I've been alive I've never witnessed a violent crime. If I didn't watch TV, I wouldn't even know there was crime. I haven't been in a fight since about the 9th grade. Violent crime isn't what the media would lead you to believe it is. You can dig up statistics to show so many rapes or murders per second. But on closer inspection you see the distribution of those crimes in non uniform. In a country of 300 million (USA) your odds of being a victim just aren't that high. I'm not saying you shouldn't be prepared. I am saying let's not go off the deep end. Everytime you ban something a little more freedom is lost. How may bans can you take until you're not free anymore. Life has a certain amount of inherent danger in it. Cowboy up and live with it. Bob Steele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard KILLICK" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:04 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Ceramic knifes > I was in the local gadget shop here in the uk which just happens to sell > some really nice knifes. They are selling ceramic knifes for £10. Now as I > understand the only reason someone would want a ceramic knife is to avoid > detection at metal detectors etc. > > I dont know to much about them but are there any other plus points that make > them good knifes. The shop owner said as far as he know they were as good as > metal knifes and they only selling point was they did not get picked up by > metal detectors etc. > > To me if that's the case there is no point in, given the current world > situation: > > A, making them > > B, selling them to 14 year olds. > > What do you guys think? > > I have no problem with people who carry knifes that are metal which > hopefully will be picked up at airports but these ceramic knifes are > designed to beat security systems as far as I know. > > Regards > > Richard Killick > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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