Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:49:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #248 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ceramic knives,Guns and Octopi (Kurt Phillips) 2. Size Issues (Jesse Manibusan) 3. Re: FMA club in England (jonbroster@another.co.uk) 4. Re: Equipment in Manilla (jonbroster@another.co.uk) 5. Tennis / Ekrima elbow training injuries (Karol Krauser) 6. RE: Size Issues (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kurt Phillips" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ceramic knives,Guns and Octopi Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:41:03 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nope, not angry, Steve, just honest, but it's unfortunate you misinterpreted. As I said, I respect other's opinions, but we get nowhere when we attack the messenger rather than the message. Gun ownership or martial arts or pets are not esoteric, howling at the moon on the third Wednesday of every second year-of-the-dog while wearing pajamas is what I call esoteric. All kidding aside, I don't consider a whole lot to be esoteric when it comes to rights & freedoms or when a politician thinks it's ok to ban or restrict things he knows little about because it's too much to ask him to educate himself a little first! I also mentioned OTHER examples, Steve, such as cars with more than 50 horsepower, do you consider those to be esoteric, too? You must not or you probably wouldn't own the car you have right now (if you tell me your car is a riding mower then, yes, I'll eat my hat) yet you collectively refer to these things as only MY "esoteric" interests. So, using your logic, if YOU consider MY interests to be "esoteric" then it's ok to restrict/ban them, since they're not worth the time to LEARN about them first? Maybe our leaders SHOULD be doing that, Steve, (especially so, considering how much we pay them!!!) then maybe they wouldn't be so anxious to ban/restrict other peoples' rights & freedoms. Maybe then alot more people would be practicing FMA, too. Or own guns, Corvettes & ceramic knives. Instead of banning ownership of a poisonous snake (or octopus) they could LEARN WHY the wild population of that species has suddenly become endangered. Simply knee-jerk banning the ownership does not reveal the true plight of that animal, in fact, it inhibits any knowledge to be gained so that the situation can be remedied. When I say something like, "all Muslims are terrorists" that would be a generalization, and you would probably object to that generalization. Yet you state it's ok for our leaders to regard our rights & freedoms in generalities. Sorry, I do not and thank God our Founding Father's didn't, either. The part about the poisonous octopus obviously derailed you, too, that's why I acknowledged that it was a little off-topic but that the concepts involved were similar & those are what we should be focused on. You chose instead to make an insulting, unwarranted and mistaken psychological evaluation of me as a person. You know, Steve, psychologists have said that (seriously) people who have an illogical fear of inamimate objects (guns) seem to be the one's with a psychological problem. But hey, I think the real motive for your attack is that you obviously dislike my obvious conservative leanings. Fine, but at least be honest & say the reason why you attack me is due to your (illogical) conclusion that conservatives are "nuts." (Oooo, hey now, another one of those "generalizations.") I don't think I'm being "idealistic" (or unreasonable) when I demand that if my elected officials are going to decide for the rest of us about something (I was going to use an esoteric example, like guns or motorcycles or cars with more than 50 horsepower, but I think you'd get thrown off the track again) then maybe they should educate themselves FIRST. When people want to limit my rights then it's not idealistic to ask that, yes, they be well- versed about those rights. We're talking EVERYONE'S RIGHTS & FREEDOMS, here, Steve, not just "Kurt's esoteric interests." I don't think people consider their rights & freedoms to be esoteric, so please don't try to steer the topic from mindless, knee-jerk bans of things we don't understand to personal attacks on people you idealogically disagree with. I also never said that there weren't more important things at issue, in fact, I agree with that 100%! I don't want to get into a gun control debate, EITHER, that's why I gave OTHER examples! AND I stated that the basis of the whole debate was about banning this, that or the other, not my own "esoteric" interests. I don't know why you thought I wanted to debate gun control, especially since I gave a list of topics that were relevant to the basic topic: BANNING & restricting people's freedoms. We fear that which we don't understand, therefore, yes, I DO want my leaders to educate themselves before banning things they don't understand. It's not their job to go around banning stuff & infringing on individual liberties (especially based on generalizations) what IS their job is to earn their gigantic pay & educate themselves so that they can make logical, informed proper decisions that are in the best interests of the people, not to fulfill their own personal agendas. You claim to prefer discussing more profound issues such as abortion and religion (which I also mentioned, or will you call that esoteric, too when politicans decide to start messing with that?) yet you arrogantly pontificate about superficial & irrelevant "issues" such as my facetious & self-deprecating use of the word "nut." By the way, they already DO ask you some questions regarding your background when you buy a gun, Steve, a couple of which ask about your psychological background. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean you have to resort to ad hominem attacks. If you can't substantively contribute to the issue then don't bother to reply. Sorry for giving so many examples to derail you, I wanted to be as broad as possible so that everyone could feel like the issue touched them in some way, whether it's poisonous pets, guns, motorcycles, religion, cars with more than 50 horsepower, martial arts, etc. Next time I'll just simply stick to widgets so you can follow along. Mahalo & Aloha, Your in Kajukenbo, -Kurt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Ceramic knives,Guns and Octopi > Kurt, > > You're being a bit idealistic if you expect lawmakers to be completely versed in all of your esoteric interests. They have to generalize if they are to prioritize (sorry, sounded like Johnny Cochran). I agree that points are missed in the process, but there are more important issues to deal with than knives, weird fish and guns. And no, I dont care to get into a gun control debate. I prefer more easily resolved issues such as abortion and religion. I like guns, I dont like gun nuts (not enthusiasts...nuts. BIG difference). They remind me of Star Trek fans...unbalanced > > You seem too angry to own a gun Kurt. If psychological evaluations were required for gun ownership, I suspect many gun related problems would be solved. > > -Steve Kohn > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse Manibusan To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Size Issues Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > 7) He doesn't seem to think of himself as small. > > Woof, > Crafty Dog Probably one of the most powerful and understated phrases. The power of the positive mindset just has to be taken into account. A whole lot of desire makes up for a lot of other physical shortcomings. The U.S. Army Rangers are likely the best Light-Infantry unit in the world, excelling in extreme training and operating in the worst conditions imaginable. And yet the average size of a Ranger is 5'10" and 160 LBS. That's SMALL when you think about the weight of equipment they carry into combat. This was a quote I heard when I was watching the Best Ranger Competition several years back. In the Marine Recon community, you will see many big men. And the real terror is the small man with the big heart. Its really an inspiration to see people like that hold their own when first impressions lead you to think that they are misplaced. On a more general note, in the SpecOps community, you can't tell what a person is capable of from first impressions. As a matter of fact, sometimes you can't even pick these people out in a crowd. Many of these people are so unlike the image one probably has of a snake-eater. In some ways, the smaller individual has the advantage because he/she has so much motivation to prove people wrong. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:58:09 +0100 (BST) From: jonbroster@another.co.uk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: FMA club in England Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Yes, Bob Breen's place is really good, that's where I first trained in eskrima when I was at college. He has two locations, Hoxton (Old St EC1) and Dartford. Also well worth checking out is Shamim Haque who teaches kalis illustrissimo at the East-West Studio in Hendon (which is probably easier for you. You can contact him on: enquiry@fmaacademy.com or fmaacademy@hotmail.com Jon >Not sure how close (or far) this is from you but I strongly recommend >Bob Breen's Academy if there is any way you can get to it. Good luck! > >http://www.bobbreen.co.uk/home.asp > >-- >Steve Klement >Inayan Masirib Guro >www.inayaneskrima.com >klement@inayaneskrima.com >Inayan Systems International > > >> greetings, i would like to inquire if any member would suggest some >> fma club >> here in england, particularly near ashford middlesex. i'm really >> interested >> in enrolling. and could anyone give advise on self study. I'm 28 yrs >> old now >> and no hard martial arts background. i'm particularly interested in >> fma. i have >> couple of materials from book to video tapes, and i can fairly follow >> some >> basic techniques. my only aim is for physical fitness, and >> self-defence. and >> also to contribute in my own small way in preserving a part of my >> heritage. >> thanks so much in advance and more power. There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:01:14 +0100 (BST) From: jonbroster@another.co.uk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Equipment in Manilla Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi The Squadron Shop in Virra Mall is great. I picked up some great wooden knives (very hard black wood) and some sticks at a bargain price. The tricky thing can be finding it....there are 3 malls, all adjoining there and it is easy to go from one to the next without realising it! Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Karol Krauser To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Tennis / Ekrima elbow training injuries Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was training about a month ago and really torqued the muscles in my forearm and developed a good case of tennis elbow. I have been doing the normal rehab, ice, anti-inflamitories, rest... etc... Has any one had any success with accupunture or anything else to help speed the healing in this area.? Karol Krauser __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Size Issues Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:37:11 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. I recently met some Navy Seals (5 actives, and 2 formers). They were all in excellent physical shape, but I'd have pegged them as body builders, not SpecOps. I think the largest of them was around 6', but most of them were under that (5'8" - 5'10"). One of the coolest stories I've ever heard was in "First Seal" (autobiographical book by Roy Boehm - the first Seal). A guy was testing to enter BUD/S (the basic training program for the Seals). Part of the test was that they had to swim underwater loaded with gear for a certain distance. One of the guys took a deep breath, hopped into the pool, and walked along the bottom of the pool. The XO was going to wash the guy out for not meeting the requirements. Roy said, "Hell no! His only problem is that he doesn't know how to swim. I can teach him to swim. Boy's got heart! We can't teach that. He stays." (hopefully I got that at least somewhat close to the original - been a while since I read the book). Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Manibusan [mailto:jessmani@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:15 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Size Issues > 7) He doesn't seem to think of himself as small. > > Woof, > Crafty Dog Probably one of the most powerful and understated phrases. The power of the positive mindset just has to be taken into account. A whole lot of desire makes up for a lot of other physical shortcomings. The U.S. Army Rangers are likely the best Light-Infantry unit in the world, excelling in extreme training and operating in the worst conditions imaginable. And yet the average size of a Ranger is 5'10" and 160 LBS. That's SMALL when you think about the weight of equipment they carry into combat. This was a quote I heard when I was watching the Best Ranger Competition several years back. In the Marine Recon community, you will see many big men. And the real terror is the small man with the big heart. Its really an inspiration to see people like that hold their own when first impressions lead you to think that they are misplaced. On a more general note, in the SpecOps community, you can't tell what a person is capable of from first impressions. As a matter of fact, sometimes you can't even pick these people out in a crowd. Many of these people are so unlike the image one probably has of a snake-eater. In some ways, the smaller individual has the advantage because he/she has so much motivation to prove people wrong. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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