Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:33:04 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #257 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Looking for Dr. John Chow of Australia (Leo Salinel) 2. Lamont Norshadow/Jerome Barber and ED (Ernest Westbrook) 3. Re: Help! - 1st Aid for the Goolies (Todd Ellner) 4. RE:Doce Pares originals (Toastyrp@aol.com) 5. Kajukenbo Seminar/Fundraiser August 2nd in Nor Cal (Alex.France@kp.org) 6. Re: RE:Doce Pares originals (Paul Janulis) 7. Re: RE:Doce Pares originals (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: peak-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Eskrima] Looking for Dr. John Chow of Australia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Is Mr. John Chow of Australia still online and part of the eskrima digest? I remember exchanging emails with him about 1 or 2 years ago on some points of view we both shared. I would like to get his email address and contact him because a college fraternity brother of mine might be related to him (he's also surnamed Chow and is also from Hong Kong, where he was born). Guro Johnny Chow, if you're here, please give me a shout or better yet, please email me directly so I'd know your email addy. Thanks! ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Ernest Westbrook" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:13:36 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Lamont Norshadow/Jerome Barber and ED Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: Ray Terry >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:08:18 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: [Eskrima] Lamont Norshadow / Jerome Barber and ED >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >fyi... > >Forwarded message: > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:03:26 -0400 >From: Bob Hubbard >To: fma@martialartsresource.com >Subject: Lamont Norshadow / Jerome Barber and ED > >Mr. Terry, > Recently we uncovered something ugly on MartialTalk that unfortunately >effects your fine publication. As someone who looks forward to reading ED, >I thought it my duty to inform you of the situation. Recently, Dr. Barber >held his Symposium. While there it was revealed that "Lamont Norshadow" >was in fact a fictitious person. Several in fact. > >It was brought to my attention that "Norshadow" has in the past both been >mentioned and published in ED. A quick search of your archives revealed 10 >such cases. > >As part of our policy to share information on 'problematic users', I'm >emailing you to make you aware of the situation. For reference please see >this thread on MartialTalk : In the "Nor"Shadow of a >lie http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?&threadid=9026 > >We have banned "NorShadow" and Dr. Barber is suspended from MartialTalk for >at least 3 months due to his part of the 'incident'. > >If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. > >Thank you, >Bob  Dear Ray, I find this to be quite interesting and have read all of the posts on the Norshadow matter.Mr. Hubbard has not presented a full and true picture of the events and background.It seems that the real dispute is between Mr. Tim Hartman and the person writing as "Norshadow" who was an acknowledged student of Dr. Barber's.  In fact, two students apparently used the same account.  Dr. Barber, allowed the parties involved to meet in a side room after the symposium program was concluded.  It was a private meeting and no one aside from the parties were involved.  It seems from what I read that Mr. Hartman was incorrect in his assupmtion that Dr. Barber was writing on the forum as "Norshadow".There is also some confusion as to whether or not there was an "audition" of "Norshadow" who wanted to be an instructor at some future WMAA Camps. From my reading of the posts, there was a real rules violation - 2 people writing from the same account.  That is all that I could find that really made sense to me.  The suspension of the "Norshadow" account was proper and correct.  All of the other stuff was very bitter and ugly, including some comments by Mr. Hubbard, who not even in attendance at the symposium.  He admits that when pushed by one of the posters who did attend.  My advice to you would be to not let this matter spill over to this forum.  It is highly personalized and the attacks on Dr. Barber are both nasty and unsubstanciated.  Most of the attackers are from the WMAA and they DID NOT attend the symposium.  Please note, the Norshadow incedent at the symposium was handled in a side room and out of sight of the symposium membership.  It was a private matter that should have stayed that way.  I hope that you will prevent this matter from spreading to our forum. EBrook THE Wicked Western Warlock ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Todd Ellner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: 23 Jul 2003 09:35:04 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Help! - 1st Aid for the Goolies Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The one that works the best from me came from Judo. Have the afflicted sit down on the floor. A partner picks a few inches by the armpits and drops him on the ground. I have no idea why this helps, but it seems to. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Toastyrp@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:49:02 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] RE:Doce Pares originals Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, I have a question regarding the original Doce Pares members, How come Venancio "Anciong" Ba'con is never mentioned on that list . I was pretty certain that he was an original member and did not split from them until after the war. any help appreciated Rob Perkins --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Alex.France@kp.org Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:09:27 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Kajukenbo Seminar/Fundraiser August 2nd in Nor Cal Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just received the following from our Kajukenbo brothers. Sounds like a fun, great event to attend! >>Dragons Den Kajukenbo Club will be hosting an 8-hour Seminar/Fundraiser on Saturday, August 2 from 9AM-6PM at Seven Hills Park in Union City. The cost is $40.00. Sensei Gary Wong, Sifu John Bono, Sigung Joe Olivares, Professor Mitch Powell, Professor Joseph Bautista and Professor Ron Lew are some of the instructors that will be teaching self-defense, Kajukenbo, Ji Do Kwan, Jeet Kune Do, Stick Fighting, Knife Fighting, Submission Grappling and more. Grand Master Emil Bautista and Grand Master Ted Sotelo will be the Guests of Honor. Please see the attachments for more details. You can also visit www.dragonsdenkajukenbo.com/news.htm for more details, including a link for more information about Grand Master Emil Bautista's 35th Anniversary Celebration Seminar and Picnic on August 9 & 10 in Vallejo, CA<< Adult Schedule (flexible & subject to change) 09:00 - Prayer & Instructor Introductions 09:05 - Ji Do Kwan Techniques 10:00 - Unarmed Club Encounters 11:10 - JKD Grappling 12:10 - Doce Pares 01:10 - Lunch Break 02:10 - Jeet Kune Do 03:10 - Knife Fighting 04:50 - Reaction Drills Kids Schedule (flexible & subject to change) 09:00 - Prayer & Instructor Introductions 09:05 - Kajukenbo Forms 10:00 - Inayan Eskrima 11:10 - Ji Do Kwan Techniques 12:10 - JKD Grappling 01:10 - Lunch Break 02:10 - Self Defense 03:10 - Grappling 04:50 - Kajukenbo Sparring For any questions, please go their website, or contact Sifu Jeff Macalolooy directly at (510) 910-9461. Email: Kajudragon@hotmail.com Alex(ander Bayot France) --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Paul Janulis" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE:Doce Pares originals Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:59:15 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That is a good question, but I don't have an answer. I always thought he was mentioned on the list. If you find out, let me know. >From: Toastyrp@aol.com >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] RE:Doce Pares originals >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:49:02 EDT > >Hi Ray, >I have a question regarding the original Doce Pares members, How come >Venancio "Anciong" Ba'con is never mentioned on that list . I was pretty >certain that >he was an original member and did not split from them until after the war. > >any help appreciated >Rob Perkins >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1600 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE:Doce Pares originals To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Hi Ray, > I have a question regarding the original Doce Pares members, How come > Venancio "Anciong" Ba'con is never mentioned on that list . I was pretty certain that > he was an original member and did not split from them until after the war. > > any help appreciated Not sure. That is supposedly a list of the first members. You'll note that four Saavedras are listed. I suspect Bacon was an early member/instructor but perhaps not a first member...??? Anyone else? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11 End of Eskrima Digest