Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:12:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #259 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Knives and Daggers, on Conquest (Ray Terry) 2. Re- Anciong and Labang Fencing Club (rocky pasiwk) 3. Goolies Remedies (Khalkee@netscape.net) 4. Preserving The Legacy (al sardinas) 5. The Final Days of Remy Presas (al sardinas) 6. Re: 2003 International Modern Arnis Symposium in Buffalo, NY (Danny Anderson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knives and Daggers, on Conquest To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Ray,I seen that one this weekend.It had some good stuff,however it was > disipointing not to even mention the FMA's kinda like a slap in the face > actually.Maybe he was only doing the western versions I suppose; he could > have at least mentioned something about Trapping,footwork, defanging the > serpent,howbout a simple figure eight or something geeeshhhh....Maybe im > being to cinical. That isn't his background. See http://peterwoodward.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:43:34 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re- Anciong and Labang Fencing Club Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From what I have gathered from GM Buot and Gm Remy Presas, is that Anciong was a member of the Fencing club ( not a founder as some Balintawak off shoot's have tried to claim) he would have been about 6 to 10 years old when the club was formed. The story goes Anciong was originally taught the same way Yolang , and Cacoy was, with a stick and Dagger, do to his aggressiveness and tendency to hurt his fellow youngster at the time wit the dagger, the Saavedra's took the dagger away from him and thrust began his art of single stick fighting, and because of the need at times to get close with a dagger that element of training ( close quarters) rubbed off on Anciong, plus the fact that being of small stature, he probably found it much easier to nullify power from larger opponents. After WWII Anciong left to Cebu, and broke off from the Cannette (sp) brothers simply because he was taught different, and therefore he taught different, there was no bad blood, or anything like that. Rocky Pasiwk Anciong Bacon's Original Balintawak Cuentada De mano --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:49:58 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Goolies Remedies Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My kung fu teacher instructed us to stand up and bounce on the heels by rocking up onto the toes, then dropping the heels to the floor while lifting the toes (swing arms forward loosely for balance). Effect is to induce the cohones to descend since sometimes reflex muscular spasms will pull them up against (or worst case for some, back up into) the body (not good). Like the remedy offered by the jodoka, this is for immediate use at time of injury, not for treatment of an enduring, developing problem. The severity of the described injury suggests (IMHO) a visit to a physician. Self treatment may not take us where we wanna go. Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik Also: Tried the number for Martial Arts Supplies in Venice, CA ... disconnected. Has anyone done business with them before? Know what's going on with them now? ... out of business, what? Alternatively, if any of you are familiar with the bag stand that they used to supply (round, flat, metal base), do you know of anyone who can provide something similar to the base? I've located a connector for the mook jong, i.e., to connect the mook to the base, now want more weight for base (e.g., use two). Why do I want to do this? So I can circumambulate the thang in close (circle it in other words :-). Yah, I could go with the original style and plug a mook into my backyard but hey, I likes the low profile, no advertisement, keep it in the garage. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Preserving The Legacy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In the September 2003 issue of Martial Art magazine there is an article on Master Tony Somera and his effort to continue the legacy of the late Grandmaster Leo Giron. I enjoyed reading this article and noted similarities between the late grandmaster and my instructor and appreciated the philosophy of Master Somera. In the article Master Somera makes some very good points and although I have never been exposed to Giron Arnis Escrima, I can easily say that it is a complete art just based on what I read. One point Master Somera made was that to practice escrima, one has to know every aspect of the art, not just the physical but also the spiritual, mental and cultural aspects. Another point he made was that in order to be a successful escrima practitioner, a student has to be dedicated and willing to learn and listen. My thought -the art of listening is becoming a rare quality. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] The Final Days of Remy Presas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In the July 2003 issue of CFW Enterprises Filipino Martial Arts magazine there is an article written by Datu Kelly S. Worden titled "The Final Days of Remy Presas". If possible, I will appreciate some clarification of this article. Datu Worden quoted that the late Professor Presas complained that there were "so many skilled followers with no strength or time left to guide the destiny or leadership of the system". Datu also writes in one paragraph that Grandmaster Presas told his grandson Carlo that he is the heir and has the right to be groomed to be the next grandmaster of modern arnis and continue the Presas legacy. In the final paragraphof the article, it is stated that Grandmaster Presas asked his son Remy Jr. to continue the legacy. So my questions are who did GM Presas picked to be at the helm, Carlo or Remy Jr. and does that leave out Grandmaster Jeffrey J. Delaney? I see his ad in all the martial art magazines stating that he is the designated successor. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:48:56 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: 2003 International Modern Arnis Symposium in Buffalo, NY Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It is regrettable that there was the "Norshadow" incident happened at the Modern Arnis Symposium but there was A LOT more that happened besides that. This is a copy of a post by Michael Stone from MartialTalk.  Here is one participant's view of it.      "Now that I've had a day to assimilate it all! (BRAIN OVERLOAD!)   First. Doctor Barber had an incredible idea and followed through. This was an amazing event, and he has challenged us all to repeat it. I think we should take up that challenge. We just have to figure out when, how often, and where . . . Then, just to kick things off, he taught pocket stick techniques. I understand that it is one of his favorites!  Rich Curren also taught Sayoc knife drills the first night.   The amount of material was very diverse. (Let me consult my notes . . . ) I personally attended sessions that covered, High stress drills (technical vs tactical mindset), Lock Flows, Knife disarms, Countering disarms, Dos Mano, trapping hands application, Knife technique (by three different instructors) and Gunting knife technique. George Denson of VideoQuest was there with his team. They must have captured close to 42 hours of material. So if you missed the Symposium I suggest you get a hold of him and order a set of tapes or DVD's. Having said that, there is nothing like being there in person. George and company couldn't be everywhere at once, and there was a lot of material done off camera. If there is another Symposium, I'll be there, it is simply too valuable an experience to miss.   A little more detail and some thank you's. Guro Richard Curren, Guro Dawud Muhammad and SM Bram Frank were the three aforementioned knife technique instuctor's. Richard did a knife sensitivity drill which gets your hands movin'. Guro Muhammad related sticks to knives, knife disarms (using your opponent's other arm, a nice touch) which led into the Lock flow drill. (I've been looking for exactly that kind of thing).   Bram Frank introduced us to his new Modular system that he developed for the purpose of Training the Trainers, basically a simple way to organize the material so that it can be learned more easily. Good stuff that connects and builds skill sets quickly. Then, of course, he dug out a Drone and banged a couple of us around Steve Shindhe (Tiny Tigger!) gets an honorable mention for helping many of us through the intricacies of Counter for Counter W/ Disarms.   Paul Martin decided to focus on tactical skill development (as opposed to technical skill, think of it as book learning vs hands on training). He got us all sweaty and stressed and then put us through some simple tactical drills. Superman position, Pickle in the Middle, 3-5 seconds, I remember, Paul. And I intend to use those drills with my guys here in City. Later, Paul taught applications of trapping hands. SM Dan Anderson did some counter-disarm work. He taught conceptually, encouraging us to play with the simple concepts that he gave us. It made it a LOT easier to remember. This is a subject that I've never seen covered before (weapon retention, yes, but what to do AFTER you lose your weapon, no) and it was awesome to play with this stuff. I hope to take the same idea's and apply it to gun disarms. (After I get some work in, I'll get in touch with ya, SM Anderson!)   One of my favorites was Guro Tim Kashino teachings on Dos Mano (Single Stick). Fun Fun Fun stuff. He also taught conceptually, with very few rules. I had a great time learning how to use different parts of the stick to different things at the same time, accomplishing more with less. (Double O's and C's! I'll work on it Tim.)   Side note: Tim Kashino was one of the people that helped Doctor B. get the college arnis curriculum approved by Prof. Presas. Sufficently Impressive!   The Serrada guys (somebody post their names, I've forgotten them and they deserve the credit.) gave an exhibition of their art and showed us their version of 1-12 with counters. I think they were expecting more questions, but we knew what we were seeing and just wanted them to keep going! These were men of respect, knowledge and skill, and it was a pleasure to have them there.   I came home with lot's of fun toy's and material as well.  By chance I bought all four books on Arnis that were not written by Prof. Presas, (two by SM Dan Anderson and one each by Bram Frank and Dr. Barber) and the first english book that was written by him. (the beginning is the beginning is the beginning . . .) I bought one of the Bolo and Abiniko set made by Frank Oleson and hauled all the way across the continent by Shana Kozusko.   To everyone who put their best foot forward, came, and contributed, THANK YOU. To my Training Partners, Al Nyman, both Paul's (Mr. Martin and Mr. Janulis) Rodney, Datu Dieter Knuttel and finally Keith (for getting me to and from, training with me and giving me a great deal on some sticks) A big Thank You to ya'll. To all you guys whose names I've forgotten, I'm sorry, but thank you, as well.   So I have some new tools, new concepts and new techniques, that ought to keep me going until the next one!!!"   Michael Stone   Note: Datu Tim Hartman covered cross referencing balintawak eskrima and Modern Arnis techniques while Datu Dieter Knuettel covered tapi-tapi applications with his groups.  Since there were three classes going on simultaneously, Michael probably missed those.   Yours, Dan Anderson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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