Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:04:06 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #265 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Shin conditioning (Patrick Davies) 2. RE: Personal Aspects Vs. The Art Itself (Patrick Davies) 3. Toughning the body (rocky pasiwk) 4. Re: shin conditioning (Todd Ellner) 5. san jose (gordon walker) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:54:18 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Shin conditioning Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 2 From: "Michael Koblic" Best method is repetitive kicking against the thai pads or bag. After a good session always rub down the shin to remove any fluid build up (bruising) The rubbing is also meant to split the nerve and push it to the side of the shin, but I have only heard that and have no real knowledge whether its true. To really get the shins in shape get someone to slap the shin with the pad. We would stand for two minutes and get someone to use an old pad and slap while standing in the shield position. The pain goes after a minute when it goes numb after 1 minute. ; ) Rub down after every session. Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 03:32:40 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Personal Aspects Vs. The Art Itself Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 2 From: "al sardinas" Hi al, keeping the mind moving,... maybe I didn't express my thoughts well enough! [a common problem ; )] You raised a good point: one point Master Somera made was that to practice escrima, one has to know every aspect of the art, not just the physical but also the spiritual, mental and cultural aspects I accept what you say. However my question asked, when we look to understand or practice the art do we delve into the cultural history of all the factors at the time that were relevant in the art developing? Or do we simply relate to the spiritual, mental and cultural aspects we find ourselves in today? If the art is to develop through us, we need to recognise the historical development but its today's relevance which I think is more prevalent. If the art is, using an analogy - let's say, a tree,- then its roots and trunk are the historical evidence developed through all the factors that influenced that sapling to grow. The branches with the leaves still need to flourish and stretch out to search the light in order to grow. These branches will one day support new branches that will take their own journey towards the light. [lets hope there's no logging in the area ; )] So we feed off all that spiritual, mental and cultural influence that gave us the grounding but we need to develop our own spiritual, mental and cultural relevant to today in order to keep growing which will preserve the art. It seems that, when watching the individuals within an art bickering over which way is best, they forget the analogy of the tree where the branches do take different routes in order to get the light that it needs to survive. but you forget that, keeping the examples similar, the Russian isn't living in Russia, but in a society that maybe implies subtly that all things Russian are bad (the black hat syndrome). What Lee did was to simply give someone the strength and encouragement to stand up and look at ones own culture with pride. In a society that was perhaps running that culture down through negative portrayal. Taking that ethos, I have started to recognise what is so positive in my culture! That understanding will lead to contentment and so stop the inner conflict, the noise, that keeps us away from peace of mind. When there is no noise, then you can listen! Yours in photosynthesis [ ; )] Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:56:42 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Toughning the body Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mike, how's things going, good I hope. Let me give you my 2 cents on hardening the body, for what its worth. I started toughening my shins when I was about seventeen, that's when the Tai Boxing craze hit Michigan, and I heard all these stories about how these guys would kick telephone poles and what not. I even had this guy that was visiting our club tell me about how Danny Inosanto trained his shins by hitting them with a ball ping hammer ( which I know now that he was probably far to smart a man to do) but when your young and impressionable, and love to fight, and are always looking for an edge I figured what the hell. And I was only about 6 months from when I had my shin broke in my first full contact stick fighting match, which lasted less than 5 seconds and left me laying in the famous fetal escrimador position. I thought toughening my shins would be a good idea. I started by tapping my shins, with a weapon my dad use to teach me called a Sailors mate, a short heavy stick wrapped in rope. Then I moved up to a rattan stick. It worked my shins got tough and added to my fighting ability. I use to practice taking body shots and learning how to absorb them I went threw this period where I thought the more punishment you could absorb or take meant you were a better fighter. Then when I was 18 and started teaching in my own club we had many a blackbelt stop by to visit, and complain about how hard we fought, which all added to my ego and my sense that we were on a different level that most others, our stick fighting match's got down right brutal, most of my friends were PT guys with a few Doce Pares guys, and we uped the stakes there too, fencing mask only, no knees elbow, hands or body protection, and we fought on a cement floor in the basement of our school in a 10ft x 10ft room, so you had to whack it out with your opponent. This lasted about 2 years it got harder and harder to find people interested, I use to go to Gm Presas's camps to try to recruit people, but it never happened. By the time I was 25 I was all ready starting to feel the effects of some of my training. Then when I hurt my back falling down a flight of steps when I was 26 and had to take a year or so off, I really started to feel little tweaks in my body. Now at the ripe old age of 37 I am looking at surgery on my left wrist which was broken 3 times an now has some sort of growth on it that limits my mobility and strength, I have several fused ribs, that give me trouble and I have about a 3 in long by 2 in. area on my shin that hurts if I barely touch it, feels like a knife is sticking out of it. I get up in the morning and I sound like snap crackle and pop!! The moral to this story??? Is what did I get out of all this?? Nothing!!!! Oh boy I was a little tough guy for a while big deal, I would much rather not have the pain in my back, ribs, shoulder, neck. I wake up at 6 am every morning my body wakes up about an hour later all this and a constant weight problem doesn't make for a happy Rocky. Now I am studying some of the internal arts to hopefully correct some of the damage I have done. My recommendation to you Mike is don't worry about that crap, unless your going to make lots of money and secure your future, don't mess with your body like that. Just stay physically fit, and increase your knowledge in the arts and don't worry about what everyone else thinks. Its just my 2 cents, but I earned both penny's Rocky --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Todd Ellner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: 28 Jul 2003 07:58:40 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: shin conditioning Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Repeated impact to bone can cause it to get denser. That's why the doctors recommend load-bearing exercise to prevent osteoporosis. The key is to do it gradually enough so that you build it up faster than you injure yourself :-( My Thai boxing was never all that good, but I found that just kicking the Thai pads every day did the trick. My wife bruises easily, so she used a good dit da jao to help with that. And with all due respect to Guru Vic it really did help a lot. Another thing you might want to look into is Balur Cimande, an eye-of-newt-toe-of-frog herbal concoction from West Java. It's been used for a long time to help with the extreme forearm and shin conditioning that Cimande players do. If I remember correctly it contains adaptogenics, antiseptics, analgesics, and anticoagulants. Lots of phytoestrogens and G-d only knows what else. Mushtaq Ali Shah makes a really good Balur Cimande. He can be reached at mushtaq@qadiri-rifai.org . No, I'm not getting paid for this :-) We and our students have used it and gotten very good results. When Tiel cracked her fibula teaching self defense (and finished the class without letting the students know anything was wrong - hard core!) it got rid of the bruising and helped with the soft tissue damage pretty quickly. And while I can't claim that it did anything specific for the bone the doctor was surprised at how quickly a load-bearing bone healed in a woman her age. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] san jose Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Are there any FMA schools/instructors in the San Jose area? Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11 End of Eskrima Digest