Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:30:05 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #273 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hi (Joseph Camins) 2. Body conditioning (Michael Koblic) 3. Re: Ramon (Bill Lowery) 4. Well known Thai boxing champ Alex Gong killed (Ray Terry) 5. Alex Gong murdered (gints@att.net) 6. Re: Well known Thai boxing champ Alex Gong killed (Ray White) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Joseph Camins" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hi Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:07:42 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Really? I have a friend who still lives in Kalaw Hill > (or used to, I'm not sure :-)). He's an aikidoka and > arnisador and when we were undergrads in UP, we > trained in karate together. Now he's an MD. Really....What's his name? Kalaw is such a small subdivision that everyone knows everybody. Funny thing is I took Aikido too for about 5 years. > You should see Tandag Sora now. The road's been > widened, additional four lanes near the Commonwealth > side. Lots of buildings and shops now. Wow! 4 lanes now with lots of buildings and shops...I probably won't recognize the area anymore! >If I have a chance to write about LSAI arnis, I would be glad to. Cool! I'd love to learn more about it. You can reply to me privately too at joji_c@hotmail.com since we're talking more about private stuff and I don't want to bore everyone with this specially if it's not eskrima related. Joji --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:02:40 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Body conditioning Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks to all of you who replied to my question about shin conditioning. I have made a nice file out of all the contributions for further reference. It is clear that some of you have reached standards of conditioning that I can only dream about. Just reading about Guro Pac Vic breaking 3 baseball bats with his shin makes my legs hurt! It is interesting that the majority of advice i received was to kick a bag or Thai pads rather than anything harder. I have not found this difficult and can whale away at the said objects with impunity. Admittedly, my bag (Century stand-up) is rather soft. On the whole subject of conditioning: I sometimes feel that I was not meant to do any of it! Even at sixteen while doing repeated karate punches I managed to inflame my right ulnar nerve. It played havoc with my game of rugby when as a tight head prop the right grip just gave way and I was not able to hold on to the opponent (to his enormous satisfaction). Later while throwing 3000 punches a day studying Wing Chun i managed somehow to injure my right wrist (the exact nature of the resulting pathology was never determined in spite of some sophisticated scanning). It took me a long time before I could get out of the bath by supporting myself on my right hand let alone do push-ups on my palms. Even now I am not ecstatic doing palm-heel strikes even on a soft target like Bob's head. Recently in a club we did two days of speed drills involving finger jabs to one another's chests: the point being to strike without getting blocked on the way in or out (score one point). It is an excellent drill which teaches many things. The result: inflamed DIP joints of the middle finger on both hands! I am glad I discovered FMA. It is so much more sensible to hit people with hard objects than various parts of one's own body. Finally one more question: has anyone heard of practitioners developing a Carpal Tunnel Syndrome as a result of doing palm or palm heel conditioning? Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Ramon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bot, >Ramon Bernardo is now in the UK. He's one of my other batchmates.< Do you have contact details for Mr Bernado? Bill Lowery --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Well known Thai boxing champ Alex Gong killed Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fender-bender hit-run turns fatal in S.F. Kickbox champ chases down driver, winds up shot to death Jaxon Van Derbeken and Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writers Saturday, August 2, 2003 A world champion Thai-style kickboxer was shot to death in the middle of a busy San Francisco street Friday after he chased down a hit-and-run driver who had slammed into his parked car minutes earlier. Alex Gong, 30, was pronounced dead at the scene on Fifth Street near Harrison Street. Witnesses said he was shot at point-blank range when he confronted the driver, who apparently waited for a traffic signal to turn green before opening fire and speeding away. Gong, who had been working out at the South of Market training gym he runs at 444 Clementina St., was wearing yellow boxing gloves and boxing trunks when he was killed. Police had not released a description of the gunman or his vehicle Friday night. But witnesses described him as a Caucasian between 155 and 165 pounds who was driving a green Jeep Cherokee. The slaying came one day after San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and other officials announced the start of a campaign to crack down on hit-and-run driving. The 4:30 p.m. incident began outside Gong's Fairtex gym when his car, also a Jeep Cherokee, was hit by a passing car. Enraged, Gong gave chase on foot, going a block east on Clementina, then a block and a half south on Fifth Street. At that point, Gong confronted the driver, who had been forced to stop as traffic backed up near the Bay Bridge on-ramp. ''The victim put his arm out to stop the driver, the driver pushed him back and then shot him -- point blank," said Marilyn Moore, a witness who was riding in a car on Fifth Street. 'I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT' "The victim grabbed himself and fell backward," she said. "The driver backed up, put the car in drive and drove off. He turned right on Harrison. "I just couldn't believe it, I've never seen nothing like that in my life," Moore said. Brian Lam, 26, an instructor at Fairtex, said members of the gym saw the initial fender-bender through an open garage door. Gong, who was inside training, took off barefoot after the man, said Lam, who grabbed a camera and followed. "As I was running up, I see Alex arguing with the guy," Lam said. "The light turned green, the guy popped him. He definitely waited for the light to turn green." Lam said he tried to take a picture of the fleeing Cherokee, but was in a rush to help his mortally wounded friend. "I just yelled for people to help," he said. A motorcycle officer on the way to the Hall of Justice nearby stopped, and he and Lam both attempted to resuscitate Gong. "Last year, Alex paid for my CPR certification," Lam said. "I was giving him mouth-to-mouth, the officer was giving him chest compressions." Lam said a single bullet struck Gong just above the heart. "I thought he was dead maybe 10 seconds after he was shot," Lam said. S.F. RESIDENT Gong, a resident of San Francisco, was born and raised in New England, and lived for a time in Central Asia before returning to the East Coast. He later moved to California and graduated from San Francisco State University with a degree in business. Long interested in judo and tae kwon do, Gong discovered Muay Thai, a form of kickboxing and the national sport of Thailand, in 1994. He once said in an interview that he was drawn to the sport by the fluid movement and careful balance it requires. He had a natural affinity for the sport and racked up an impressive array of championships in the middleweight and welterweight classes. He appeared regularly on HBO and ESPN and headlined fights at the MGM Grand and the Mirage in Las Vegas. He was a dedicated competitor who trained tirelessly, often waking at dawn to run five miles and perform scores of sit-ups, push-ups and other exercises before going to work. Gong worked equally hard as a businessman who introduced Muay Thai to California when in 1996 he opened a San Francisco branch of Fairtex Combat Sports Camp -- founded in Bangkok in 1976. It wasn't long before the firm employed 20 instructors and included more than 600 students. It is, according to the company's Web site, the nation's top Muay Thai training facility and the only one recognized by the World Muay Thai Council, which is under the authority of the Thai government. 'AN AMAZING GUY' Under Gong's leadership, Fairtex opened another facility in Daly City in 2000. As Gong's body lay in the middle of Fifth Street, wrapped in a yellow tarp, and police interviewed witnesses, students gathered at Fairtex. They were stunned and spoke with admiration for Gong. Lam said Gong was a mentor and a leader. "Alex was an amazing guy," Lam said. "He was the owner, but he was kind of like a big brother. It was a family environment. "He was a fighter to the end. He was arguing with this guy to get him to pull over -- all he had to do was get his plate, but he had to get into it with him," Lam said. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: gints@att.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima Digest) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:56:24 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Alex Gong murdered Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/08/03/BA135877.DTL I couldn't believe this news. My friends were talking about a road rage accident in SF. Today, we find out it was Alex Gong. This is sad news. I was just watching/videotaping a Smoker's amateur event at his gym about a month or so ago. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Ray White" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Well known Thai boxing champ Alex Gong killed Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:07:05 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My condolences... Ray White www.absolutejkd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Terry" To: "Eskrima" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:45 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Well known Thai boxing champ Alex Gong killed > Fender-bender hit-run turns fatal in S.F. Kickbox champ chases down > driver, winds up shot to death > > Jaxon Van Derbeken and Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writers > Saturday, August 2, 2003 > > A world champion Thai-style kickboxer was shot to death in the middle of > a busy San Francisco street Friday after he chased down a hit-and-run > driver who had slammed into his parked car minutes earlier. > > Alex Gong, 30, was pronounced dead at the scene on Fifth Street near > Harrison Street. Witnesses said he was shot at point-blank range when he > confronted the driver, who apparently waited for a traffic signal to turn > green before opening fire and speeding away. > > Gong, who had been working out at the South of Market training gym he > runs at 444 Clementina St., was wearing yellow boxing gloves and boxing > trunks when he was killed. > > Police had not released a description of the gunman or his vehicle > Friday night. But witnesses described him as a Caucasian between 155 and > 165 pounds who was driving a green Jeep Cherokee. > > The slaying came one day after San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and > other officials announced the start of a campaign to crack down on > hit-and-run driving. > > The 4:30 p.m. incident began outside Gong's Fairtex gym when his car, > also a Jeep Cherokee, was hit by a passing car. Enraged, Gong gave chase > on foot, going a block east on Clementina, then a block and a half south > on Fifth Street. At that point, Gong confronted the driver, who had been > forced to stop as traffic backed up near the Bay Bridge on-ramp. > > ''The victim put his arm out to stop the driver, the driver pushed him > back and then shot him -- point blank," said Marilyn Moore, a witness > who was riding in a car on Fifth Street. > > 'I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT' "The victim grabbed himself and fell > backward," she said. "The driver backed up, put the car in drive and > drove off. He turned right on Harrison. > > "I just couldn't believe it, I've never seen nothing like that in my > life," Moore said. > Brian Lam, 26, an instructor at Fairtex, said members of the gym saw the > initial fender-bender through an open garage door. Gong, who was inside > training, took off barefoot after the man, said Lam, who grabbed a > camera and followed. "As I was running up, I see Alex arguing with the > guy," Lam said. "The light turned green, the guy popped him. He > definitely waited for the light to turn green." > > Lam said he tried to take a picture of the fleeing Cherokee, but was in > a rush to help his mortally wounded friend. "I just yelled for people to > help," he said. > > A motorcycle officer on the way to the Hall of Justice nearby stopped, > and he and Lam both attempted to resuscitate Gong. > > "Last year, Alex paid for my CPR certification," Lam said. "I was giving > him mouth-to-mouth, the officer was giving him chest compressions." > Lam said a single bullet struck Gong just above the heart. > > "I thought he was dead maybe 10 seconds after he was shot," Lam said. > > S.F. RESIDENT Gong, a resident of San Francisco, was born and raised in > New England, and lived for a time in Central Asia before returning to > the East Coast. He later moved to California and graduated from San > Francisco State University with a degree in business. > > Long interested in judo and tae kwon do, Gong discovered Muay Thai, a > form of kickboxing and the national sport of Thailand, in 1994. He once > said in an interview that he was drawn to the sport by the fluid > movement and careful balance it requires. > > He had a natural affinity for the sport and racked up an impressive > array of championships in the middleweight and welterweight classes. He > appeared regularly on HBO and ESPN and headlined fights at the MGM Grand > and the Mirage in Las Vegas. He was a dedicated competitor who trained > tirelessly, often waking at dawn to run five miles and perform scores of > sit-ups, push-ups and other exercises before going to work. > > Gong worked equally hard as a businessman who introduced Muay Thai to > California when in 1996 he opened a San Francisco branch of Fairtex > Combat Sports Camp -- founded in Bangkok in 1976. It wasn't long before > the firm employed 20 instructors and included more than 600 students. It > is, according to the company's Web site, the nation's top Muay Thai > training facility and the only one recognized by the World Muay Thai > Council, which is under the authority of the Thai government. > 'AN AMAZING GUY' Under Gong's leadership, Fairtex opened another > facility in Daly City in 2000. > > As Gong's body lay in the middle of Fifth Street, wrapped in a yellow > tarp, and police interviewed witnesses, students gathered at Fairtex. > They were stunned and spoke with admiration for Gong. > > Lam said Gong was a mentor and a leader. > > "Alex was an amazing guy," Lam said. "He was the owner, but he was kind > of like a big brother. It was a family environment. > > "He was a fighter to the end. He was arguing with this guy to get him to > pull over -- all he had to do was get his plate, but he had to get into > it with him," Lam said. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest