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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Body conditioning (Edge Wise) 2. Re: Body conditioning (Edge Wise) 3. Crafty's reply (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 4. Re: karambit-your lucky day! (Ray White) 5. thanx to Mr. Walker (jason couture) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Edge Wise" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Body conditioning Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:14:03 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I found the following on USENET: One danger I heard about hitting your legs against things is that blood clots can form and if they break loose it can cause a stroke or heart attack. I've been told that this is how the late Edgar Sulite (founder of lameco escrima) died (among others). He did a lot of full contact stick sparring and one day a blood clot came loose and he had a stroke. I would stick to Thai pads and bags. You have the only body you are going to have in this life, so treat it with respect. In karate I wonder how many guys that have regularly pounded makiwari boards with bare knuckles end up with arthritis at middle age. You got to protect youself at the same time you strentghen and toughen. If it sounds extreme or nutty, it's probably is! So many urban legends and so little time, what is a mother to do? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Body conditioning > Thanks to all of you who replied to my question about shin conditioning. I > have made a nice file out of all the contributions for further reference. > > It is clear that some of you have reached standards of conditioning that I > can only dream about. Just reading about Guro Pac Vic breaking 3 baseball > bats with his shin makes my legs hurt! > > It is interesting that the majority of advice i received was to kick a bag > or Thai pads rather than anything harder. I have not found this difficult > and can whale away at the said objects with impunity. Admittedly, my bag > (Century stand-up) is rather soft. > > On the whole subject of conditioning: I sometimes feel that I was not meant > to do any of it! Even at sixteen while doing repeated karate punches I > managed to inflame my right ulnar nerve. It played havoc with my game of > rugby when as a tight head prop the right grip just gave way and I was not > able to hold on to the opponent (to his enormous satisfaction). Later while > throwing 3000 punches a day studying Wing Chun i managed somehow to injure > my right wrist (the exact nature of the resulting pathology was never > determined in spite of some sophisticated scanning). It took me a long time > before I could get out of the bath by supporting myself on my right hand let > alone do push-ups on my palms. Even now I am not ecstatic doing palm-heel > strikes even on a soft target like Bob's head. > > Recently in a club we did two days of speed drills involving finger jabs to > one another's chests: the point being to strike without getting blocked on > the way in or out (score one point). It is an excellent drill which teaches > many things. The result: inflamed DIP joints of the middle finger on both > hands! > > I am glad I discovered FMA. It is so much more sensible to hit people with > hard objects than various parts of one's own body. > > Finally one more question: has anyone heard of practitioners developing a > Carpal Tunnel Syndrome as a result of doing palm or palm heel conditioning? > > Mike Koblic, > Campbell River, BC > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Edge Wise" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Body conditioning Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:37:00 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I found the following on USENET: > One danger I heard about hitting your legs against things is that blood > clots can form and if they break loose it can cause a stroke or heart > attack. I've been told that this is how the late Edgar Sulite (founder of > lameco escrima) died (among others). He did a lot of full contact stick > sparring and one day a blood clot came loose and he had a stroke. > I would stick to Thai pads and bags. You have the only body you are going > to have in this life, so treat it with respect. In karate I wonder how many guys that have regularly pounded makiwari boards with bare knuckles end up with arthritis at middle age. You got to protect youself at the same time you strentghen and toughen. If it sounds extreme or nutty, it's probably is! So many urban legends and so little time, what is a mother to do? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Koblic" > To: "Eskrima digest" > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:02 PM > Subject: [Eskrima] Body conditioning > > > > Thanks to all of you who replied to my question about shin conditioning. I > > have made a nice file out of all the contributions for further reference. > > > > It is clear that some of you have reached standards of conditioning that I > > can only dream about. Just reading about Guro Pac Vic breaking 3 baseball > > bats with his shin makes my legs hurt! > > > > It is interesting that the majority of advice i received was to kick a bag > > or Thai pads rather than anything harder. I have not found this difficult > > and can whale away at the said objects with impunity. Admittedly, my bag > > (Century stand-up) is rather soft. > > > > On the whole subject of conditioning: I sometimes feel that I was not > meant > > to do any of it! Even at sixteen while doing repeated karate punches I > > managed to inflame my right ulnar nerve. It played havoc with my game of > > rugby when as a tight head prop the right grip just gave way and I was not > > able to hold on to the opponent (to his enormous satisfaction). Later > while > > throwing 3000 punches a day studying Wing Chun i managed somehow to injure > > my right wrist (the exact nature of the resulting pathology was never > > determined in spite of some sophisticated scanning). It took me a long > time > > before I could get out of the bath by supporting myself on my right hand > let > > alone do push-ups on my palms. Even now I am not ecstatic doing palm-heel > > strikes even on a soft target like Bob's head. > > > > Recently in a club we did two days of speed drills involving finger jabs > to > > one another's chests: the point being to strike without getting blocked on > > the way in or out (score one point). It is an excellent drill which > teaches > > many things. The result: inflamed DIP joints of the middle finger on both > > hands! > > > > I am glad I discovered FMA. It is so much more sensible to hit people with > > hard objects than various parts of one's own body. > > > > Finally one more question: has anyone heard of practitioners developing a > > Carpal Tunnel Syndrome as a result of doing palm or palm heel > conditioning? > > > > Mike Koblic, > > Campbell River, BC > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:12:21 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Crafty's reply Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Crafty says: > Roger Machado's Yoga Jiu Jitsu (from > which Guro I draws heavily for his Silat class warm-up) is outstanding in > this regard (as well as overall) > I am forever fascinated by some of the DBMA bodywork, to include Yoga JJ, Gyrotonics, Pilates, and Dr. Gyi's Danda/Letha material. You need to do a DVD on this. Your sources are so rich in quality information. Another issue is Guru Inosanto's Silat. While it is ever changing, what --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ray White" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] karambit-your lucky day! Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:19:34 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Jason, This is your lucky day! I just bought 2 Karambits designed by Bill Hibbing from Bud K knives for $19.99 each! They are stainless steel and of decent design. I think they are called the Hibbing Claw 2. I got them today and I like them. Hope that helps, Ray White www.absolutejkd.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jason couture" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: [Eskrima] karambit > Does anyone know where to buy an AFFORDABLE karambit > or folding karambit? I've seen the prices from some > of the better known knife companies but, I don't work > on wall street so, I can't afford $200-$300 for a > blade! Someone out there must make a karambit for the > everyday joe. > > ===== > **JASON COUTURE** > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] thanx to Mr. Walker Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Gordon Walker, Thank you for giving me the web sites for the karambits. I look forward to purchasing one or two of them. You have been a great help. ===== **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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