Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:42:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #284 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Conditoning/Hilot (GatPuno@aol.com) 2. mind / body (Travis F.) 3. Re: Magnets (Todd Ellner) 4. RE: Dog chases tail (Jesse Greenawalt) 5. Conditoning / Pains (Ray Terry) 6. Measuring Human Aggression (Ray Terry) 7. PG Edgar (Marc Denny) 8. RE: DVDs & DBMA (Mark F. Ward) 9. Useful website - Sports Injury Bulletin (Travis) 10. Body conditioning, golf and life in general (Michael Koblic) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:54:15 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Conditoning/Hilot Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Edge Wise Wrote: > > I found the following on USENET: > One danger I heard about hitting your legs against things is that blood > clots can form and if they break loose it can cause a stroke or heart > attack. I've been told that this is how the late Edgar Sulite (founder of > lameco escrima) died (among others). He did a lot of full contact stick > sparring and one day a blood clot came loose and he had a stroke. > I would stick to Thai pads and bags. You have the only body you are going > to have in this life, so treat it with respect This is very true, not only hitting legs, even different part of the body, like arms, head, back, all of this part can be damaged or can caused a blood clot if the inflamation of bruised to the muscle become severe. But I dought it that Punong Guro Edgar Sulite died caused of this careless bruised. I believed is just co insedent that he died from Stroke, and stroke can oocur to the most healthier man alive. He probaly have a High Blood already, or high Cholesterol, or what ever caused maybe but I doubt it the bruised or knot that can caused a bllod clots in his leg. Since 1975 i already doing full contact unpadded sparring and 1978-1985, I become the most Eskrimadors in Laguna that between 12 to 16 matches every two months, from my experience the conditioning is part of the training. Before my matches my dad and my older brother Daniel will performed a tapping or hitting me with stick not so hard all over my muscle that expose as target like forearm, legg, thigh, bicep event even on my back, instead of stretching. Due to this excercise my muscle will be puff and warmed, and feel numb before even I enter the ring. So if I got hit, if they got a lucky hit, I would not feel it and I can continue my strategic plan effectively. This is the beginning of my matches ritual, then the after match ritual is "Hilot" Massage from my Grandma, from my Dad or other maestro that I am very closed. No matter what your doing iether you aare in in stick fightiong, or even hand sparring you need "Hilot" massage afterward to loosen all the knot to you body, and if got a little pulled tendon, muscle this this the best time to take care of it. Final. I have been training Filipino Martial Arts for over 34 years and active doing sparring, stickfighting and empty hand, so far my body and hand is no sign of arthritis/tendonititis all of this painfull claim from training becaused of Hilot. For Hilot info email me, and if you are interested of Seminar E-mail me. Incorporate "Hilot" in your training. > In karate I wonder how many guys that have regularly pounded makiwari > boards > with bare knuckles end up with arthritis at middle age. You got to protect > youself at the same time you strentghen and toughen. If it sounds extreme > or nutty, it's probably is! > > So many urban legends and so little time, what is a mother to do? > > This is one of Secret of Garimot System. Asked me how.. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA E-mail: gatpuno@aol.com Website: garimot.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Travis F." To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:12:21 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] mind / body Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Caught a segment on the Health channel awhile back that included a piece on Tibetan Tummo Yoga. The practitioners in a stone hut around 40 degrees F wrapped themselves in water soaked sheets and in 15 minutes having them steaming where most people would go into hypothermia. With permission some scientists ran test on the monks and found they could raise the temperate of their extremities by 15 degrees at will! Quite fascinating. Regards, Travis > I sometimes noticed my hands getting warmer whenever I held the magnets for awhile. However, I couldn't conclude whether this was due to expectation (it >was all in my mind), concentration (mental focus on an area can increase local circulation), some kind of magnet/chi phenomenon, or the magnet/hemoglobin >thing. Mebbe it was some of all of the above --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Todd Ellner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Magnets Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 10:49, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: >Physics is physics. I don't have any references for you but the >increase in local circulation resulting from magnetic fields is >documented. As already mentioned, iron is iron and like I said, >physics is physics. Indeed. Physics is physics. Which is why this stuff is almost certainly bunk. The magnets we are talking about won't appreciably penetrate the skin, much less suck the hemoglobin deep into muscles. As other have pointed out what you will see is a _decrease_ in circulation. And the effects you are talking about would increase with increased magnetic field. The fact that they are just plain absent under enormous magnetic fields should encourage you to reconsider your faith. > The iron in hemoglobin is partially responsible for the increased >localization of blood when a magnet is present. We have not yet established that this bald assertion is true much less that the explanation is a valid one. >The following is anecdotal: In my younger kung fu days :-) I played >with small magnets for awhile. I sometimes noticed my hands getting >warmer whenever I held the magnets for awhile. However, I couldn't >conclude whether this was due to expectation (it was all in my mind), >concentration (mental focus on an area can increase local circulation), >some kind of magnet/chi phenomenon, or the magnet/hemoglobin thing. You can do exactly the same thing just by thinking. Occam's razor dictates that without some evidence that something else is at work there is no reason to pile on other explanations. >So, magnet therapies? I dunno, might be useful for some people for >some things sometimes. If there's any validity to manipulation of >"subtle energies" of the body, I wouldn't fool around with magnets too >much though. Like a lot of things in Oriental Medicine, not to be >applied continuously, only as needed to promote balance/normalization. There is a lot of interesting stuff in Oriental medicine. There is also a lot of hooey (cf the urine soaked cucumber as a cure for poisonous snake bite or the quaint and patently false ideas about the function of the spleen in TCM). --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jesse Greenawalt" To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:29:17 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Dog chases tail Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Dog chases tail >This brings up the matter of the DVD format and piracy. We have not been >untouched by people ripping us off by selling copies of our videos. It is >quite irritating and frustrating, but at least there is a reduction in >quality when one copies a VHS video. However, as I understand it with DVD >the copies are just as good which makes me leery about putting out material >in the DVD format. OTOH more and more people want DVD. I chase my tail >with this and am open to any observations that people might have. I prefer DVDs, since they are a random access medium, and one needn't worry about repeated slo-mo views of short bits causing obvious degradation of that portion of the video. I think they are also becoming more economical than tapes to produce, but I could be wrong. Technically, any dual layer DVD (one that has more than 4.7GB of data) requires transcoding to fit on a burnable DVD blank, but unless the vid is long this is unlikely to result in visible degradation. For a 2 hour vid this might be a consideration, but even then the DVD can be split onto 2 DVD blanks. Thus, it costs $2 to rip you off instead of $1! But someone who really wants to rip you will anyway. The degradation of a VHS-VHS copy isn't great to most people. Further, one can go from VHS to DVD with no loss at all and gain the accessibility benefits of DVD, though at a cost of a couple hours of time. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Conditoning / Pains Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Final. I have been training Filipino Martial Arts for over 34 years and > active doing sparring, stickfighting and empty hand, so far my body and > is no sign of arthritis/tendonititis all of this painfull claim from training > becaused of Hilot. It is more a function of aging along with the injuries & conditioning than just years of activity. Not sure how old you are, but let us know once you're 55 or 65 how your body is feeling then. I suspect you will feel very differently. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Measuring Human Aggression Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From the latest issue of The Law Enforcement Trainer magazine, a good article on Measuring Human Aggression, by Dr. John Byrnes. The article is too long w/graphics, etc, to scan in, but this snippet is of possible interest. "The direct effects of this threat stimuli are affirmed in a study conducted by Dr. Alexis Artwohl (author of Deadly Force Encounters) between the years of 1994-1999. She interviewed 157 police officers who were involved in deadly force shootings. Her study revealed the following results to "Perception" issues: 84% experienced diminished sound (auditory exclusion) 79% experienced tunnel vision (peripheral narrowing) 74% experienced "automatic pilot" with little or no conscious thought 71% experienced visual clarity 62% experienced slow motion time 52% experienced memory loss for part of the event 46% experienced memory loss for some of their own behavior 39% experienced dissociation; sense of detachment or unreality 26% experienced intrusive distracting thoughts 21% experienced saw, heard or experienced memory distortion 17% experienced fast motion time 07% experienced temporary paralysis" Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:35:03 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] PG Edgar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Dave wrote: "At the same time Punong Guro Sulite, Guro Dan Inosanto, and I believe Marc Denny as well had started practicing Yoga together from a noted teacher, Punong Guro Sulite had enjoyed the classes and had hoped that this would counter effect some of the damage done with his condition , , ," That would be Sarah Petitt, to whom I introduced Guro I. and with whom he still trains regularly. (The lessons are at 6:15AM now so I only make them when adventures in fatherhood already have me up at that hour) At that time the sessions were at my house. After Guro I's lessons (in which I was the body upon which he practiced his techniques) with Rigan Machado about a mile away we would rendevous at my house. PG Edgar would come by to join Guro and I for the yoga with Sarah and then stay to train Guro I. (and let me tell you being a fly on the wall for those was something quite special) and then after Guro I. left he would train me. Sometimes we would spar in the park in front of my house (the one where the Gatherings were held for so many years) Magic times. I saw PG's health as being hurt by breathing in the toxic cesspool known as Glendale (one of the worst areas of the LA basin with regard to air quality) and the quality of which seriously discouraged any kind of aerobic work. Then after a bad, bad scare while flying, he would not fly anymore and drove to all his seminars (with his family in a van) throughout the US. I saw the days-on-end of driving, while eating American interstate highway cuisine, combined with the lack of aerobic work as contributing to his health woes. He stopped by the day before flying to the Philippines to say goodbye to Guro I. and me and laughed a bit about flying. I've always suspected the stress of flying to be a precipitating factor in the stroke. Crafty Dog of the drooping tail. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Mark F. Ward" To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:04:59 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: DVDs & DBMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings Crafty, My opinion is that the move to the DVD platform is a good one. VHS tapes degrade over time and with use. Magnetic media is notoriously sensitive to the environment it's stored and used in. VHS tapes are not particularly good for freeze-framing and slow motion, and while the first series of DBMA tapes had some good segments featuring slo-mo it's nice to be able to do it anytime. For example, my friend Tom Meadows once loaned me a tape of a workout with Ted Sotelo. I wanted to slo-mo the whole thing to try and grasp even a tenth of what was packed into that video, but I didn't want to risk damaging his tape with my cheesy VCR. While this was a home movie and perhaps not entirely the same thing as a retail video, my point is that the digital platform gives the user a very high quality product with much more control over how they want to use the content. Piracy is a concern with digital media, but it's also a concern in the analog world as you've found out. While analog recordings do degrade with each playback-record event, this doesn't really affect the professional pirate. They make a master recording of your work and then copy each tape off that. Therefore, while each tape is slightly degraded from the original, the level of degradation is constant from one tape to another - that is, barely noticeable. I don't feel that amateur VCR-to-VCR taping is enough of a problem to worry about - the pro's dwarf them in volume. I believe that the benefit to your customers will be worth the risk of moving to the digital realm. Will your work get pirated? Of course it will, especially if it's high quality. The answer to that problem isn't found in degrading the experience the paying customer gets, at least in my opinion. Cheers, mfw Mark F. Ward lat. 37.680585 lon. -121.726336 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Travis" To: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:43:27 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Useful website - Sports Injury Bulletin Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Here's a useful website that some may find useful: http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:10:23 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Body conditioning, golf and life in general Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The thread continues with further valuable observations. I guess the message is that there is a right balance for everything. The truth is, however, that we are all different and one cannnot buy the right genes. What makes one incredibly tough gives another a chronic overuse syndrome! It does bring up the question of how tough does one want to be and what price is one prepared to pay. There are many on this list who are professionals and whose standards are going to be different from others who need their hands for e.g. watchmaking. The question is even more general: how much time to devote to martial arts in the first place. This has been covered recently by a thread initiated, I believe, by Marc McYoung. Coincidentally, somebody recently brought up golf in jest (Pat Davies?). The truth is that for me personally social utility of a good golf swing is actually far higher than a good right cross (furthermore, one can learn a lot about power generation studying the golf swing, but that is another matter). This may not apply to others though. I once worked out that to do MA "seriously" one should spend around 6 hour a day training and practising. This is just not realistic for us part-timers and a compromise therefore has to be reached. Hopefully, as one gets older one finds smarter way of doing things. And when in doubt, there is always helpful advice on the Eskrima Digest... Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest