Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:11:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #285 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Kris Blade Blank (Bill M) 2. Europe? (C. Herrman) 3. Arthritis & 55/65 years old (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. Conditioning (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 5. Re: Arthritis & 55/65 years old (Ray Terry) 6. Function of the Spleen in Chinese Medicine (Stephen Lamade) 7. Re: Conditioning (Ray Terry) 8. VHS v. DVD (Michael Koblic) 9. mind / body (S. H. WEE) 10. More body conditioning (Michael Koblic) 11. RE: More body conditioning (Mike Casto) 12. Magnets (Khalkee@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bill M" To: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:11:30 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Kris Blade Blank Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I received a flyer from a knife retailer some months ago, offering a kris sword blade blank (no guard or handle). It was a cheap blade, not even demo quality, but it would be handy for a photo project I am working on. I have lost the flyer and can't remember which company it came from. Did anyone here get the same flyer and can you recall the name of the company? Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:34:28 -0700 From: "C. Herrman" To: eskrima_digest Subject: [Eskrima] Europe? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, I'm going to be in Europe at the beginning of September and am hoping to work in a little training. I'm looking for recommendations in London, Paris, and Vienna. I'm aware of Danny Guba & Bob Breen in London. Are there others? The style of martial art isn't important to me, I'm just looking for a good experience. Feel free to respond privately. Thanks in advance, Chris H. chris@chrisherrman.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:02:21 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Arthritis & 55/65 years old Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rey Terry, Since you asked how old am I, I just turn big 40 last July. Well, I will keep you inform my friend, let see. My Grandfather is 70 yrs old, before he died he still active from stickfighting, Veterano Class my Dad before he died @ 57 of liver deceased, even on his age he still no sign or even experience tendentious, still active training in Stickfighting in G-Maestro Class. I do believed if you dedicate yourself to preserve your body, regardless of style of Hilot or any similar arts. Your body will become treasure by you. From my over 300s of matches that I have been through I am still no sign of knotted on my hand called Eskrima Syndrome, no broken elbow, No experience any surgery from any joints from my body. I am so glad that I do understand the "Hilot" so I could prevent a lot of injury, that occur on my training. Even you my friend can benefit to it. I will leave you this quote "Dont judge the book from it cover" be well I am sure, I will be meeting one of this day, then I will make sure to show you what I am talking about my friend in very simple friendly manner. I am willing to share you, what my knowledge in four Major Hilot System practice in the Philippines (Beware from those trying hard to be "Hilot" on their own, its is not safe to practice Hilot if you are not understanding the consequences) like the yin&yang theory. writes: > > > Final. I have been training Filipino Martial Arts for over 34 years and > > active doing sparring, stickfighting and empty hand, so far my body and > > is no sign of arthritis/tendonititis all of this painful claim from > training > > because of Hilot. > > It is more a function of aging along with the injuries & conditioning than > just years of activity. Not sure how old you are, but let us know once > you're 55 or 65 how your body is feeling then. I suspect you will feel very > > differently. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > > Rey, is always a pleasure to answer a question from someone like you with a doughty mind. I am worry about you, you need to open up and learn "Hilot". Why? Are you experiencing tendentious already or arthritis? Let me help you my friend, or seek a Hilot in your area. You can contact my friend Virgil Apostol there in California. I can hook you up. Dont wait to long to get more worst that you feel now, if your experiencing this systems? Let me know Rey, as a friendly advice to you and to all Eskrimadores practitioners, Be well, be safe training, Salamat ng Marami (Thank you very much), Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA E-mail: gatpuno@aol.com Website: garimot.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:49:59 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Conditioning Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > It is more a function of aging along with the injuries & conditioning than > just years of activity.  Not sure how old you are, but let us know once > you're 55 or 65 how your body is feeling then.  I suspect you will feel very > > differently. > > Ray Terry > Everyone can look at that 25 or 35 pound dumbell that surrounds your waist as you get lax with diet and exercise. THAT will wreak more damage on you joints. Practice SuperJoint motions, stay lean, and don't rely on swinging sticks to stay in shape. Cardio-strength-flexibility training has to be more consistant than deep fried carbohydrates and beer. Tom Furman www.physicalstrategies.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Arthritis & 55/65 years old To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Since you asked how old am I, I just turn big 40 last July. Well, I will keep > you inform my friend, let see. My Grandfather is 70 yrs old, before he died > he still active from stickfighting, Veterano Class my Dad before he died @ 57 > of liver deceased, even on his age he still no sign or even experience > tendentious, still active training in Stickfighting in G-Maestro Class. Some may not experience problems from the stress they put their bodies under just as some that smoke a pack a day may not get lung cancer. But the chances are, for the average person, that it will. Hilot or TCM or Chiropractic or ?? will do little to help all that much. You damage your body, you pay the price. Yes, at 51 I have some minor problems. Probably less than most, I'm very lucky. But then there are those like Gm Canete. At 84 you can tell he has pain, even tho he can still perform VERY well with a stick or knife. Yet it is pain that he has well earned from his 77 years of training. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:57:44 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Function of the Spleen in Chinese Medicine Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re. "the quaint and patently false ideas about the function of the spleen in TCM": Descripton of organ function in Chinese medicine is metaphorical and does not necessarily pertain to the function of the anatomical organ as it is understood by western medicine. For example, the "function of the Spleen" in TCM has strong associations with the western understanding of the functions of the pancreas and stomach. However, it is interesting to note the parallels (to give just one example) between the spleen's abiliity to filter blood and clear damaged blood cells, with the TCM notion that the Spleen is central to the production of Qi and Blood (thereby supplying nutrients to the tissues of the body and allowing the muscles, limbs, and flesh to maintain good tonus and shape). Hence in Chinese traumatology medicine, treatment of the Spleen is often considered essential to recovery. Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Conditioning To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ... and don't rely on swinging sticks to stay in shape. Actually that is one of the least effective ways to stay in shape. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:09:54 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] VHS v. DVD Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One other issue in the VHS v. DVD debate that I recently came across: My main VHS recorder died suddenly. I went looking for replacement in our town (admittedly not a big town but with more than one electronics outlet). I was surprised to see a very poor choice of recorders. Even the most expensive one that I eventually bought had rather poor special features. The slo-mo is terrible. It is far worse that the slo-mo on my previous recorder which I bought about 5 years ago. It upset me because the slo-mo feature is a bread and butter of my martial arts training. I love to dissect the various moves to understand them better (it is also fun in some cases to debunk the occasional BS - on some tapes the instructor clearly preaches one thing and does another - but that is another matter). I was told that the whole VHS recorder production is being phased out due to the advent of DVD and the choices are therefore going to be even poorer in the future. Although the DVD players can be irritating (the rigmarole one has to go through before one gets to press the "play" item on the menu or the automatic switch off if one pauses for too long and the subsequent difficulty in locating where one left the movie off) I suspect that they are the thing of the future. All in all, I wish more MA instruction was on DVD. Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "S. H. WEE" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:22:08 +0800 Subject: [Eskrima] mind / body Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Saw something similar on the Discovery Channel few months back. A dozen old Tibetan monks spent a night meditating outdoor under sub-zero temperature with nothing but their underwears. Regards, S. H. Wee > Message: 2 > From: "Travis F." > To: > Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:12:21 -0400 > Subject: [Eskrima] mind / body > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Caught a segment on the Health channel awhile back that included > a piece on > Tibetan Tummo Yoga. The practitioners in a stone hut around 40 degrees F > wrapped themselves in water soaked sheets and in 15 minutes having them > steaming where most people would go into hypothermia. With > permission some > scientists ran test on the monks and found they could raise the > temperate of > their extremities by 15 degrees at will! Quite fascinating. > > Regards, > Travis --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] More body conditioning Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net More to this topic: has anyone read the "72 Consummate Arts Secrets of the Shaolin Temple" published by the Fujian science and technology publishing house, compiled by Wu Jiaming (1992)? Has anyone tried these techniques? Can anyone jump out of a 10 ft hole wearing 5-7 catties of iron sand? Does anyone know what a cattie is? Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] More body conditioning Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:59:38 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can't do it, but I can tell you this: (from dictionary.com) cat.ty2 also cat.tie ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kt) n. pl. cat.ties Any of various units of weight used in Southeast Asia, especially a Chinese measure equal to 500 grams (approximately 1.1 pounds). Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Koblic [mailto:mkoblic@uniserve.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:22 PM To: Eskrima digest Subject: [Eskrima] More body conditioning More to this topic: has anyone read the "72 Consummate Arts Secrets of the Shaolin Temple" published by the Fujian science and technology publishing house, compiled by Wu Jiaming (1992)? Has anyone tried these techniques? Can anyone jump out of a 10 ft hole wearing 5-7 catties of iron sand? Does anyone know what a cattie is? Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:40:53 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Magnets Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Indeed. Physics is physics. Which is why this stuff is almost certainly bunk. No, which is why "this stuff" (define) is matter-of-fact as-it-is. > The magnets we are talking about won't appreciably penetrate the skin, Maybe we're referring to different magnets :-) The magnets that I'm talking about didn't penetrate anything, but the fields which surrounded the magnets -may- have influenced tissues within their range. > much less suck the hemoglobin deep into muscles. I don't think that I ever made any reference to anything like that. Maybe if there were some magnets inside the muscles (hah-hah). > As other have > pointed out what you will see is a _decrease_ in circulation. Superficial circulation will increase. > And the > effects you are talking about would increase with increased magnetic field. Yep. > The fact that they are just plain absent under enormous magnetic fields should encourage you to reconsider your faith. First of all, I don't have a faith and I believe NOTHING. Everything is to be tested. Re: enormous magnetic fields, if you deal with facts you will find that an enormous magnet will frick up any biological entity ... they are NOT SAFE. Read below re: giant electromagnets killing birds. >> The iron in hemoglobin is partially responsible for the increased >>localization of blood when a magnet is present. > We have not yet established that this bald assertion is true much less > that the explanation is a valid one. It's not a bald assertion. Do some MedLine reading, maybe you'll find that this is old news. Issue is whether or not it's therapeutically effective, with what parameters, under what circumstances. >>The following is anecdotal: In my younger kung fu days :-) I played >>with small magnets for awhile. I sometimes noticed my hands getting >>warmer whenever I held the magnets for awhile. However, I couldn't >>conclude whether this was due to expectation (it was all in my mind), >>concentration (mental focus on an area can increase local circulation), >>some kind of magnet/chi phenomenon, or the magnet/hemoglobin thing. > You can do exactly the same thing just by thinking. Yeah, that's what I said, re-read the above. > Occam's razor > dictates that without some evidence that something else is at work there > is no reason to pile on other explanations. Good priest Occam's Razor refers to selecting alternate explanations, choose the simplest. >>So, magnet therapies? I dunno, might be useful for some people for >>some things sometimes. If there's any validity to manipulation of >>"subtle energies" of the body, I wouldn't fool around with magnets too >>much though. Like a lot of things in Oriental Medicine, not to be >>applied continuously, only as needed to promote balance/normalization. >There is a lot of interesting stuff in Oriental medicine. There is also >a lot of hooey (cf the urine soaked cucumber as a cure for poisonous >snake bite or the quaint and patently false ideas about the function of >the spleen in TCM). Hey, lighten up bud. I offer no support to "magnet therapy" and consider most of it pure commercial crap. I'm a scientist. Re: magnets and circulation ... you want references do the search. The basic science of the effects are matter of fact. Whether or not they can be applied therapeutically is another story. Draw blood deep into muscles? I never suggested any such B.S. The effect of a magnet would be expected to be closer to the site of the magnet, strongest where the field is strongest, i.e., superficial, not deep. If you want to throw stuff at somebody on this topic try somebody else. Re; magnetic fields and physiology and/or effects on physical bodies, fact: birds were observed to drop dead every time an electromagnet used in medical research here was turned on. They would drop midflight if close enough. Why? The magnet was popping parts of their brains out straight through the skull. Don't believe it? Hey, I was on campus when it was going on. Crux of the issue was the area of the brain involved in their homing sense, get it? I pursue the scientific method and won't easily spout untested, unproven B.S. Trained to dsicuss issues in terms of what "may" be true per evidence, I don't know much, and as a multiple-confirmed Post Hole Digger, my humility in the face of what I do not know causes me to question without maligning. If I encounter something useful and am too dumb in my knowing (or thinking that I know) to get the fact that there's something that I don't know, then I will fail to capitalize on its usefulness. It is ignorant to close the books on reality prematurely. Trained in the use of some aspects of Oriental Medicine, I know that there is hooey in there somewhere (just like some faiths :-), but when I'm told not to frick around with Spleen 6 on a woman who's pregnant, then I ain't frickin around with it. Have done so purposely when a girlfriend complained of late period and whaddya know, 45 minutes later she calls and she's just had a miscarriage. An old man once tol'me "Those who thinks they knows is a vexation to those what knows." It is ignorant of us to prematurely close the books on any aspect of "reality". Absorb what is useful. H'mm ... Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. 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