Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #320 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (Sonny Pascual) 2. IQ Protection Ruminations (Marc Denny) 3. training without equipment (garry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Sonny Pascual" To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:17:09 -1000 Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Aloha! FMA members/families, Just wanted to wish everyone a Wonderful and Safe Sept 11th...Let's not forget those out there fighting for our freedom... Sonny --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:23:27 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] IQ Protection Ruminations Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Literally two days ago, while being chased around Carlton's dentist's chair, we were talking (at least until he caught me) about my previously raised matter of the IQ protection skills at the last Gathering. I recollected that in the beginning, due to Top Dog's ferocious knee shot Salty developed his and I developed mine and knee shots became an important fighting technique. Then as I introduced, via my training with PG Edgar Sulite, the Ilustrisimo cross-step as a defense against all three of these knee attacks, knee attacks faded in importance. The Usual Suspects all knew what they were, and all had a sense of how to handle them. As their use declined, along came a crop of fighters who simply never saw knee shots. And then one day, as seen somewhere in our second series, Dog Troy got his knee cap split in half because he lacked awareness of the line as well as solutions once it became apparent that his opponent was indeed going after his knee.. I suspect a similar dynamic here with the matter of IQ protection. Forgive the repetitionof the story, but in the beginning, we used "first generation fencing masks". These basically were screens doors wrapped around the head. The mesh was thin and laid close to the head. We FEARED head shots and cultivated the skills to develop our IQ protection. Perhaps people, because they didn't frequently see solid head shots in our fights, came to underappreciate the possibility of getting really clocked. On top of this, over time the masks have gotten heavier (fornicating lawyers! GRRRR) and many of the masks offer substantial protection over a substantial percentage of their surface. This tends too to take away the truth of consequences-- and the surprise is all the greater when a good shot does land on an area of the mask that lays close to the head. Just some wee morning hour thoughts-- my son needed some attention during the night and I've been unable to go back to sleep. > > Qublw, > > The no gear thing is just a "part" of training not the pinical of the art. I > still believe you need the very heavy sparring "with" gear if you need it. > Personally, if you don't need gear "sometimes" I don't think you are hitting > hard enough. I think you need to be able to take as large a wack as your > body can stand up to a point. That point is individual and no instructor can > tell you where it is. That point is a "moving target" all during your martial > training that will change as you evolve. While there are those who believe > you can learn without pain and those who believe you need pain to learn I > think the answer lies in the middle. There is really only one way to learn > fighting and that is fighting. Since I'm a white collar guy who would like to > retain as many brain cells as possible guys like me need to find "training > method" to simulate aspects of fighting. Somewhere along the way we hope to > be able to put all the pieces of the puzzle together when needed. If you > can't then you fall apart and freeze when you need it most. There in lies > another aspect of as I understand it of the DBMAI idea "higher conciousness > through harder contact." Crafty can expand on this theme it belongs to him. > > Regards, >Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Forgive me for taking a moment to clarify our acronyms: DB: Dog Brothers: "The band of sweaty smelly psychopaths with sticks" with the credo of "Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact" DBMA: Dog Brothers Martial Arts "The system of many styles dedicated to smuggling concepts across the frontiers of style" DBIMA Dog Brothers Inc. Martial Art. The legal form through which I operate for legal and tax reasons as a teacher and for business purposes. DBIMA is the host of the "Dog Brothers Gatherings of the Pack". This is part of our legal protection strategy. And now (5:20AM?) I find I am out of gas. Time to see if I can sleep. wuff, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: garry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] training without equipment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I also agree with training without equipment. When I was training under the late Suro Inay in the late 70s, we weren't allowed to use protective gear because he felt you wouldn't respect the weapon, and your technique would be sloppy because you didn't have to be as precise. He used to tell us to always keep in mind that although we were using sticks for practice, they were really blades and the slight nick in the wrong place could cause excessive bleeding, or the blade could be poisoned. I remember getting smacked hard across the knuckles 20-30 time a night. Every once in awhile during class, you would hear this blood curdling scream, and knew that someone just got smacked on their weapon hand. You'd turn around to see them laying on the ground cutching the weapon hand. Of course everyone laughed, made a few comments, and then continue with their training. After a couple of years of this, the overriding goal was to avoid pain, because the slight touch on your knuckles caused excruciating pain. We did full contact sparring, first with plastic baseball bats, then rattan sticks. The only rule was no head shots. Our "badge of honor" became the swollen and deformed knuckles on our weapon hand. When I'd get home from class, my whole right arm, from the elbow down, would be swollen. I remember sometimes my wrist would be swollen almost to the same diameter as the widest part of my forearm. When meeting other FMA practioners outside of a martial arts environment, the first thing we would do was to show each other our knuckles. Then, we immediately knew they were a true brother and practitioner of the FMA. All of us had a story about knocking on someone's door with our weapon hand, and when the door was opened, we'd be on the ground writhing in pain. We all had to learn to knock on doors with our other hand, or just the pinky finger of our weapon hand. I just started teaching again a couple of months ago after a hiatus of several years, and sure enough, just yesterday I was at a store and while waiting for the clerk, I unconsciuosly rapped my knuckles on the counter. I won't do that again. The only equipment I would agree with using is eye protection. I still have slightly blurred vision in one eye from a scratched cornea from when I was poked in the eye by a student's fingernails over 10 years ago. It an extrememly painful injury, with long term consequences. Guro Garry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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