Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:16:10 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #333 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Arnis - A violent sport? (John W. Nakihid) 2. Re: Re: Disfigured Knuckles - Poor Skill - Apology and Correction (Felipe Jocano) 3. Eskrima Competitions (jonbroster@another.co.uk) 4. Re: Illustrisimo/Lameco knee defense and follow up comments (Sonny Padilla) 5. Another Apology (al sardinas) 6. Re: Arnis - Next Filipino National Sport (Sonny Padilla) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John W. Nakihid" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:29:28 +0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis - A violent sport? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't see arnis as a violent sport at all. As I have observed, there is an evolution going on in the arnis sport. Arnis tournament nowadays use defensive gears such as helmets, armors, arm and shin guards, and gloves. Besides all these protective gears, they still use padded sticks. This only means that this is a very safe sport, more safer than basketball or hockey. Again, besides all the protective gears, there are tournament rules that have dos and donts. I have witnessed several arnis tournaments and have not seen any major injuries. All participants got home in one piece. Well here I am talking about the modern styles of arnis tournaments and these is how we presented the arnis sport to the public and to the different schools as a part of our mission to propagate the arnis sport here in the City of Baguio. I understand some individual who see arnis as a violent art because of its classical origin where one escrimador fights another to the death without using any protective gears at all. I agree that Arnis is a warrior art and is a part of the prestigeous Filipino Martial Arts, but like all martial arts, it has evolved into a sport that that the Philippines should consider to be the national sport. John W. Nakihid Philippine Martial Arts Crusaders Club --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Disfigured Knuckles - Poor Skill - Apology and Correction To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ryan, Hilot is a Tagalog term meaning massage in general. It's a form of therapeutic massage for various injuries including sprains, bruises, muscle pain, etc. Hilot can also include massage for internal ailments, such as stomachache, and also to help pregnant women have an easier delivery. Usually, the massage includes application of coconut oil together with some herbs (depending on the practitioner). Hilot can also mean the person who does the massage - a variation of the term is manghihilot, literally one who does the massage. While hilot is often associated with arnis, in truth not all hilot are arnisadors (or eskrimadors, your choice of term). Similarly, not all arnisadors/eskrimadors are hilot. There are several on this list who can do both; if you want to know more, you can ask them about this. Bot --- Ryan Meyering wrote: > Do you have any info on Hilot? I've never heard of > it... > > Thanks > > Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:21:58 +0100 (BST) From: jonbroster@another.co.uk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima Competitions Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Yesterday I was involved in the organisation of another of Krishna Godhania's competitions. This, like the last one (reported in MAI) was a trial run to check out the smooth running of the format. For those not based in the UK (or who have not seen the rules in MAI), the format is: Padded sticks (mine are rattan covered in pipe lagging and tape) Fencing masks Groin guard 3 x 1 1/2 minute rounds. Round 1: Largo only - only scoring shots to arms and legs Round 2: Medio only - only scoring head shots Round 3: All ranges We worked a 10 point must system (ie the winner of the round gets 10 points and the loser 9, unless they have taken a real beating or had a point deducted, when they get 8) We scored looking at the following criteria: attack defence footwork variety of technique stick retention Krishna refereed all the fights Rene Navaro and I scored them. We are really pleased with the way that this is going, everyone who has been involved has enjoyed the fights immensely. And there is vertainly a feeling that the rules encourage a far greater use of a variety of technique than the WEKAF rules. I would encourage anyone on this list (and in the UK or nearby) to have a crack. I was getting well and truly p****ed off with the minimal attendance at the "BIG" competitions, that has come about as a result of the disintegration of the UK eskrima scene (all the major players have fallen out - big time) If you know me (I used to MC all the WEKAF events) you will know that I love eskrima and that I want to spread the word. I guarantee that if you get involved you will have a good time. The fights are good and about as realistic as we are going to get without us all joining Guro Crafty and co. If you want any more information, please get in touch with me or Krishna Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Illustrisimo/Lameco knee defense and follow up comments Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:34:09 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There are three Ilustrisimo footworks that deals wtih the knee strikes, first is the retirada Ilustrisimo or cross (back step). Second would be the Lutang (hanging) done simply by moving your front leg in line with your back to evade strike and at the same time exposing the opponent for a head strike. Third would be a variation of the Lutang done by stepping backfirst to evade and hang front leg in line with the back leg. Timing is an essential part . The low sudden squat attacks is vulnerable to a head strike and Tatang always tells us not to trade a knee strike against a head strike. If you need further information please do not heistate to contact me Guro Sonny Padilla at Kali Academy of Martial Arts, 4611 B -50th. Avenue, Red Deer, Alberta, Canada, T4N 3Z9, Tel. # 403-343-3350. Tks. Sonny >From: "Marc Denny" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Illustrisimo/Lameco knee defense and follow up comments >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:10:35 -0700 > >Woof All > > >Leo wrote: > >BEGIN >1. Are there any Ilustrisimo practitioners out there? >If there are none, I'll direct my question to fellow >lawyer Marc Denny. > >Question: Does Kali Ilustrisimo have techniques >against lowline attacks to the knee, either from a >standup fighting position or a sudden diving >crouch/squat just like Eric Knaus does in the "Real >Contact Stickfighting" Tapes? I am asking this query >in line with your statement that after you introduced >the Ilustrisimo cross step (BTW, is that the Retirada >Ilustrisimo on PG Sulite's tapes?), then the DB >fighters ceased to rely on sudden low line squat >attacks. >END > >My only direct Ilustrisimo training comes as part of my Inosanto Blend >training from Guro Inosanto who learned from Melicio I. in Stockton. I >should know this with confidence, (but I don't) but I think Tatang I. was >his nephew-- at any rate they were related. That said, I think it safe to >say that there is a lot of Tatang Ilustrisimo in Lameco. PG Edgar told me >so, and I think those conversant with both systems will agree. PG Edgar >called the cross step the Ilustrisimo Cross Step (or the "Retirada I.") in >order to give credit to the source of his understanding of it. > >Forgive me for craftily working in the advertisement, but the answer to >your >question can be found in DBMA#3: "Combining Stick and Footwork" in the >section on knee attacks and defenses. Three knee attacks are shown: Top >Dog's low line squatting backhand, Salty's combination learned from >Derobio, >and my preferred one learned from Inosanto-LaCoste. All three are shown in >action, then the Ilustrisimo cross step is taught and shown in action. > >The gist of it as is that the stick simultaneously counterattacks while the >front leg is cross-stepped back and then sprung forward. > >HTH. > >Just a brief follow up on the matter of injuries in our fighting. >Considering what we do, I think the level of injuries quite low. This is >not to say that we do not have some pretty serious injuries from time to >time. The transformational power of the experience is not available in the >absence of genuine risk. > >It is not for me to tell people what to do or how to train, but I feel >obliged by my role as Guiding Force to raise the matter of IQ protection >skills precisely because I saw the level of strong head shots taken at this >last Gathering as drifting into unmaintainable territory. The point is to >walk as a warrior for all our days, not to have hands which can't knock on >a >door (sorry :-) ) or reduced IQ. > >That said, as a teacher I have opinions. In DBMA the logic of the sytem >is >to deal with the primal first. Thus in the first series in #1 the first >thing that was taught was four power shots. In the second series in DBMA >#3 >(ie the first of the instructional videos) the first thing that was taught >head and knee protection while moving the feet. If you can hit hard, >protect your head and knees, you are much more likely to come out of the >experience the better for it. There's much more to it than that of course, >but these skills are a good place to start IMO. > >Woof, >Crafty Dog >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:49:28 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Another Apology Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net After receiving Eskrima Digest Issues Vol. 10 #327 and #328 3 times after it was originally received, I figured I was cursed for making another mistake. So I want to apologize for mistakenly identifying Nat as Guro Nate Defensor. I hope this takes care of the demon on my back . Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Arnis - Next Filipino National Sport Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:03:20 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net the Phil Gov,t thru the Department of Tourism is now spearheading a program to teach arnis in all schools and there by proclaiming Arnis to be the national sport and long term to be recognize as an olympic sport. The group is called PIGSSAI which stands for Philippine Indegenius Games And Sport Savers Association Inc. which is headed by Mr. Dizon of DOT. Like any other arts the problem lies on who,s rules have to be followed and on there last meeting Mr. Talag told me some members walk out as they could not agree on the rules. I support the move but politics aside I do not want to deal with it cause I am not a politician I just have to keep promoting the art that I love. For everybody's information there is Arnis demonstration every Sunday in the afternoon at Luneta near the DOT by different groups. Guro Sonny Padilla Kali Ilustrisimo >From: "Faustino, George N CONT" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis - Next Filipino National Sport >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:04:39 -0400 > >from www.eBalita.net > >ARNIS NEXT NATIONAL SPORT? >Raul Jornales is hoping arnis will become the next national sport. And he >is >planning to submit a formal proposal to President Arroyo, in recognition of >the local martial art as a replacement to the decades-old national sport -- >sipa. > >"I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes but [let's face it], sipa is >dead," >said the 42-year-old Jornales, who is also a muay Thai and karate >enthusiast. > >"But [at the core of this] proposal, this is about loving your country, >most >especially Filipino martial arts." > >Citing the extensive exposure of arnis throughout the world, Jornales has >been >seeking a venue to voice out what he believes is a disappointing "national >situation." > >"What I'm saying is we need to have our own identity. Japan has karate. In >Korea it's taekwondo. > >"It's about heritage, pride and our culture. It's the right time [to make >people aware on a national level.]" > >Jornales said he plans to pass his proposal personally to the Presidential >Security Group or National Security Adviser Roilo Golez, so that "it goes >straight to the President and we can avoid people from copying the idea." > >He had actually gone through several "channels" to lobby his idea, but >Jornales admitted that it has been a "frustrating experience." > >"From now on, we have to make [this proposal] an objective and an >obsession. >It's [like] shooting the stars, but it's better to fail trying." > >One of the apparent criticisms that Jornales would have to face is from >those >who view arnis as a violent sport. > >Jornales quickly refuted the idea saying, "arnis is an art form too. And >that >in it's 'noncombat' nature, it has [what is called] a sayaw and an anyo." > > >================================== >V/R >Mr. George N. 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