Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:36:09 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #348 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Stick Recipe (Phil Hurcum) 2. Self Defense (Khalkee@netscape.net) 3. Re: Stick Recipe (Jamie Pajo) 4. Doce Pares in Boston? (Jasper Liao) 5. Re: Doce Pares in Boston? (David Whitley) 6. Re: Doce Pares in Boston? (Andrew R Breton) 7. Skullduggery in FMA (Leo Salinel) 8. Re: A mistake in the Title (Sonny Padilla) 9. Re Duck! Incoming! [boom boom] (Patrick Davies) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stick Recipe Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello , I have recently purchased a supply of raw rattan and am going to make soem sticks. I used to have a copy of a recipe to do this but I cannot find it. If anyone has a copy or some advice I would really like to hear it. Email me directly I guess and save digest space. thanks, Phil Phil Hurcum Ca034 2002-01 King of Small Dogs and Hep Kats Procurer of Useless Information --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:39:44 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Self Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > In my opinion the right to self-defense can be found > in the 9th Amendment of the US Constitution > "All rights not otherwise enumerated > remain retained by the people" -- Way to go Guro Crafty. I'm confident that I'm not the only one who agrees withya ... but we still need to spell it out and back it up with something like The Citzen's Right to Self Defense Act. There are plenty who might sometimes/someday (successfully) argue that since it's not written we don't have the right .. no matter what tool(s) we might have to use. It's not an imposible scenario ... and we've seen the essence of such unjust/immoral faulty reasoning in any cases where the defender pays the price. I cannot provide a reference, but I recall a case wherein a woman was jailed for stabbing a would-be rapist with a nail file. That was in the early 80's I think. Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, mik __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Pajo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stick Recipe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Actually, I would also like the recipe Jamie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jasper Liao To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Doce Pares in Boston? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi everyone, I just moved to Boston, and I wanted to know if anyone could steer me towards a Doce Pares instructor in the area. Actually, any FMA groups would be great, I haven't had much luck tracking anyone down myself. Thanks, Jasper Liao __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "David Whitley" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Doce Pares in Boston? Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 03:23:28 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kelly Butler is an excellent  JKD/FMA teacher in boston.his email is kbutler@firstact.com.   [IMAGE] ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jasper Liao Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Doce Pares in Boston? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Hi everyone, I just moved to Boston, and I wanted to know if anyone could steer me towards a Doce Pares instructor in the area. Actually, any FMA groups would be great, I haven't had much luck tracking anyone down myself. Thanks, Jasper Liao __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:35:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Doce Pares in Boston? From: Andrew R Breton Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I believe I have this name right (but forgive me if I don't) I met Jason Silverman at one of Gat Puno Abet's summer workshops a while back. I believe he teaches in Massachusetts, and I beleie it was doce pares. I would also check out Jack Bernard and Wes Tasker, who teach a pekiti tirsi class in Boston. Jack has been doing pekiti for quite a while. Wes has done the whole Pekiti Tirsia International system, and is a great resource for both FMA and silat. I think they're all members of the digest, but if not, a while back Jason was on Loki's FMA instructor's page. Wes and Jack are on the Pekiti Tirsia International contacts page. Andy On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Jasper Liao writes: > Hi everyone, > > I just moved to Boston, and I wanted to know if anyone > could steer me towards a Doce Pares instructor in the > area. Actually, any FMA groups would be great, I > haven't had much luck tracking anyone down myself. > > Thanks, > > Jasper Liao > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Skullduggery in FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Douglas, Why did you respond OUT OF THE BLUE and WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION from me? I wasn't even talking about you and your cohort, dude. I was referring to the numerous and ubiquitious instances in FMA (and other martial arts styles as well) as practiced here in the Philippines. A friend of mine who had been training in another arnis style told me that a stalwart of the late GM Joe "Jugo" Millan's empty hand style Tat Kon Tou (Gokosha) was ousted by his students from leadership of their small group in Quezon City--for no real reason at all. Another well-known story here in the Philippines has it that masters belonging to the same arnis society/club/system would selfishly bag movie and other lucrative public relations (PR) appearance contracts (involving demonstrations, movie stunts, etc.) and leave fellow masters affiliated with the same club/society/system out in the cold. And then there are stories of formerly dedicated students who for no reason at all turn against their masters who held nothing back from them and who never prejudiced them in the first place. I was talking about arnis clubs spreading false stories about a master from another style or other styles who, it turns out, are actually champions and very good arnisadors at that. Doug, there's a saying in Tagalog (Filipino) that "ang manok na unang pumutak ang siyang nangitlog." (The chicken that cackles first is the one that laid the egg). In comparative american idiomatic expression it means, "The first person to speak out when he's not alluded to expressly, is defensive (guilty)." My conscience is clear. I do hope you and your cohort can sleep at night. Makes me appreciate all the more Tuhon Bill McGrath's statements about people laying down their rationality upon joining an FMA system and acting like cultists. Actually, as I'm sure Tuhon Bill will agree, cultism in the FMA is a recent phenomenon caused by commercialization and crystallization of formal styles and systems. Back in the old days, FMA'ers simply flitted from teacher to teacher, depending on who was available. Thus, practically all the FMA greats we know hold in great reverence trained under all sorts of guros. For example, the late great GM Leo Giron, who studied under Fructuoso Junio and Flaviano Vergara, as well as Dalmacio Bergonia and some other master I don't recall at the moment. Let's assume I made a mistake. My mistake was forgiveable and innocuous compared to the willful slander perpetrated on my person by your cohort. I should have seen the signs--my friends and fiancee did, warning me to dissociate myself or at least be VERY careful with respect to some people. It was a bona fidei mistake borne out of misplaced loyalty to a system as inculcated in me by my teachers, who it turned out, weren't as loyal to the system/style as I thought they were. (Now if they raise a hoot, I remind them and to those who would refer to them this post of mine, the same Tagalog proverb above.) ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] A mistake in the Title Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:09:26 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Everyone, Mangisursuro is an Ilokano dialect which means a teacher. Literally speaking whoever is qaualified to teach could be a mangisusuro. SonnyPadilla Kali Ilustrisimo >From: Joey Tesoro >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] A mistake in the Title >Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:15:31 -0700 > >Hi Everyone, > >I'm not the first to point it out, but I do want to say that the title >preceding Jason Inay's >name below seems to be an honest mistake on the poster's part. Since the >passing of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, >in my recollection, the only time we have used his title is in reference to >him. > >Thank You, > >Joseph Tesoro, Jr >Inayan Guro >Inayan System of Eskrima > > > >> >> > From: GatPuno@aol.com >> > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:58:04 EDT >> > Subject: [Eskrima] Garimot Arnis/Harimaw Buno Seminar Schedule >> > >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > I just want to let everyone knows my Seminar schedule. >> > >> > Chicago Seminar: October 25-26, 2003 >> > For info e-mail : Barabay2000@yahoo.com >> > Contact: Dennis >> > >> > Wiscounsin Seminar: Nov. 8-9, 2003 , with Maha Guro Nate, Defensor >> > (Defesor >> > Method), Magingsursuro Jason Inay (Inayan Eskrima), Gat Puno Abon >> > "Garimot" >> > Baet (Garimot Arnis/Harimaw Buno) >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:39:52 +0100 From: "Patrick Davies" To: "eskrima digest" Subject: [Eskrima] Re Duck! Incoming! [boom boom] Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 7 Woof All: When it comes down to it, Tony Martin was jailed for shooting a man because a jury considered that his actions were beyond the acceptable behaviour considered by English and Welsh law. A jury of 12 ordinary people looked at the facts and found him guilty under the laws relevant to their country. While everyone can sympathise with the hell he endured from some who took advantage of his isolationism and his bizarre lifestyle, he had proved himself to be a threat to others with a firearm before thus revoking any shotgun licence. I have to ask whether I want citizens to arm themselves in order to self police or for vigilantism purposes. The answer to that from me is a resounding NO! and since I live here and bring up the kids and dog here I would be happy that others don't enforce their values on us. I've lived in hellish estates where the drug gangs tormented people and its not fun. Ive done what ive had to do and I may or may not have been punished for doing so. There are many more people out there constructively doing things for which they receive no publicity and they face the threats and the ups and downs of their efforts. They are the ones worth celebrating and not - in my humble opinion - Tony Martin. Pat --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest