Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:17:09 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #351 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: SECOND CLASS VETERANS Documentary on Filipino WWII Veterans (Hubbard, Bartrand J) 2. Seminar in Foster City (Joseph Camins) 3. Por Favor (Marc Denny) 4. boston (Jasper Liao) 5. Oh please!!! (Travis) 6. Duck! Bang! Twang! continued (Marc Denny) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:15:07 -0700 From: "Hubbard, Bartrand J" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: SECOND CLASS VETERANS Documentary on Filipino WWII Veterans Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey there, Following is a press release that I received about a documentary concerning the Filipino Veterans in the US Armed Forces during WWII. Many of them were eskrimadors and knowledge of their struggle and the way they were treated after the war is important to many of us as eskrimadors and also as people who benefited from their sacrifice. Please watch this show if you can. Be Cool Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SECOND CLASS VETERANS Reveal the stories of Filipino World War II veterans TO BE AIRED BY PBS San Francisco, CA. Since 1992, Rick Rocamora has photographed the vets, helping to educate the American public about the history and lives of the ex-soldiers. SECOND CLASS VETERANS also shows the struggle of the veterans and the Filipino community's struggle for equity. Rick was one of the very first committed to helping the Filipino veterans achieve justice, and he explains why he feels the issue is important, "Americans should be concerned about the issue of Equity for Filipino World War II veterans. Like any other veteran who served this country honorably, Filipinos did their share. And yet, this country has treated them unfairly." Starting October 2003, this poignant new documentary will be the first about Filipino World War II veterans to air nationwide in local PBS stations. SECOND CLASS VETERANS was directed by Donald Young and produced by Vida Benavides. Original music was composed and performed by popular Filipino musician Joey Ayala. During World War II, President Roosevelt ordered Filipinos to fight under the American flag. 200,000 fought, and over half of them were killed in the historic battles of Bataan and Corregidor. After the war, the Congress of 1946 stripped the Filpino soldiers of promised military benefits. Out of 66 allied countries, the Filipino soldiers were the only group denied full benefits. Fewer than 30,000 are still alive, and for nearly 60 years they've waited for the promises to be restored. Thousands of the veterans have come to the U.S. in hopes of qualifying for and claiming the benefits. In SECOND CLASS VETERANS, we meet veterans like Eugenio Espero, who was awarded three Purple Hearts and requires a wheelchair because of his war injuries. Mr. Espero's frustrations echo those of most veterans, "Most of our co-veterans are disappointed. They thought when they come to America that everything is equal. But no." Most of the vets are in their 70's and 80's and ill-prepared to live in the U.S. on their own. Many live alone and in abject poverty. Rick's stark black and white photographs powerfully communicate the lives the veterans have been forced to live as they wait for justice in the U.S. Rick has developed a close bond with many of the veterans, including Magdaleno Duenas, an 87-year-old war hero who lives alone in San Francisco's tough Tenderloin district. During the war, Mr. Duenas helped American soldiers escape from a Japanese POW camp. Mr. Duenas is a charming man who makes friends easily and has become Rick's surrogate father. Sadly, Mr. Duenas heroic actions during World War II wouldn't make his life better in the U.S. Upon his arrival in San Francisco, Catalino Dazo, himself a Filipino, took advantage of Mr. Duenas and other Filipino vets. Dazo imprisoned the vets and stole their welfare payments. Mr. Duenas was chained to a bed and fed dog food. "I don't think Dazo would do that here. But he did it." Upon hearing about Mr. Duenas and the other vets, Rick mounted a successful mission. That is when Rick became close with Mr. Duenas. Every year since 1993, equity bills to restore military benefits and formal recognition have been introduced in Congress, but none have garnered enough votes for passage. In 1998, a sponsored equity bill fell 9 votes short. For his part, Rick keeps hoping, but isn't optimistic. "At one time I said, the final picture will be when somebody in the White House will sign a bill changing the provision of the Rescission Act of 1946, giving the veterans full recognition for their contribution during the war. I'm now afraid to say that that opportunity to take that final picture may not happen anymore. But I'm still hoping, you know, I hope it will happen because these Filipino veterans deserve the full recognition for their contribution to this country." Please check visit www.naatanet.org to find out when SECOND CLASS VETERANS will broadcast on your local public television station. NAATA (National Asian Pacific Telecommunications Association) Since 1980, the National Asian American Telecommunications Association (NAATA) has been at the forefront of bringing Asian Pacific American media to the American public. NAATA was created to challenge the historical exclusion and counteract the distorted portrayals of Asian Pacific Americans in mainstream media. LOCAL PBS AIR DATES (as of 10/1/03-more air dates of documentary will be announced-so please check naatanet.org and/or your local PBS stations). LOCAL ID AIR DATE/TIME CITY/STATE KVCR 10/5/03 9:30 PM PT PBS SCV Los Angeles CA KVCR 10/6/03 5:30 PMPT PBS SCV Los Angeles CA KPBS 10/12/03 2:30 PMPT PBS SCV San Diego CA KPBS 10/12/03 11:30 PMPT PBS SCV San Diego CA KVIE 10/14/03 9:30 PMPT PBS SCV Sacramento Stockton Modesto KVIE 10/15/03 3:30 PMPT PBS SCV Sacramento Stockton Modesto C KVIE 10/16/03 4:30 AMPT PBS SCV Sacramento Stockton Modesto CA WCMV 10/5/03 5:30 PMET PBS SCV Traverse City Cadillac MI WCMW 10/5/03 5:30 PMET PBS SCV Traverse City Cadillac MI WCML 10/5/03 5:30 PMET PBS SCV Alpena MI WCMU 10/5/03 5:30 PMET PBS SCV Flint Saginaw Bay City MI WDPB 1/11/03 11:30 PMET PBS SCV Salisbury MD WHYY 11/11/03 11:30 PMET PBS SCV Philadelphia, PA WTCI 10/9/03 10:30 PMET PBS SCV Chattanooga, TN [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Joseph Camins" To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar in Foster City Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net United Studios of Self Defense in Foster City invites everyone to an exciting day of FMA (ESKABO Daan) and Small Circle Jujitsu with Grandmaster Robert Castro and Professor James Hundon. Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:00 PM - 3:30 PM $89.00 1064-E Shell Blvd. Foster City, CA 94404 (650) 577-9234 Thanks! --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:58:33 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Por Favor Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Paco: >From: "Francisco j. Gomez" >Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino man kills a man in Madrid > This monday, Renato Salazar Alingarog, a fifty-two-year-old filipino man > killed with a knife a man and wounded another one when they wanted to mug > him. The filipino was going into the underground in Madrid, Spain when two > moroccan muggers assaulted him, he defended himself with a knife. The > filipino man has been arrested. Would you be so kind as to send me any and all copies of articles concerning this case please? Its no problem that they are in Spanish. Thank you very much. Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jasper Liao To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] boston Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for all the replies. Now there's no reason for me not to get get off my ass and go train. Jasper __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Travis" To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:59:17 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Oh please!!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >The teenager that died was a >victim too before that night. He was a victim of circumstance that had >him in an environment where if there were choices he was unable to see >them, so I can't simply applaud his death even if he was up to mischief. >Was that mischief enough to justify being shot? Hell yeah, a home invader deserves it. George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." (Address to 1st session of Congress) James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46) Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi, 446) And for the religious types: "Jesus said, 'But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a sword must sell his cloak and buy one.'" (Luke 22:36) "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." (Exodus 22:2) For more rational info check out http://www.radomski.us/njhp/tom.htm ;) Regards, Travis Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." ("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud) --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:28:13 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Duck! Bang! Twang! continued Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Many excellent points made by Buz and others, but in the middle of a busy day I'll limit myself to my conversation with Pat. > wrong way or gotten your hackles up, but I really think that my point is > not getting across. We seem to be divided by a common language. > Indulge me please in one more try: > > Although I vigorously support gun rights here in the US (and I think you > may come to regret your approach, but that's up to you) the issue here > is not one of gun rights. > > > Ok, I will take a fresh approach. Since you referenced the NRA etc I did > assume your point was one of promoting the gun over here. I apologise if > that distorted my point as well. Well, I suppose I must confess to a certain amount of wanting it both ways , , , :-) > While Martin had been picked upon he had also created the persona of > victim by his choice of rejecting all advice from the local police who > had dealt with him over a number of years. He rejected a lot of methods > that could have avoided his situation and was clearly unfit to conduct > himself in a manner that many consider to be acceptable in modern day > society. I still haven't had a chance to look at the URLs that were shared with me, but would be curious to know, here or via sidebar, just what the police were suggesting or any other background on the case. > He showed no remorse in that human life was taken which I feel has > certainly lost him a lot of sympathy. The teenager that died was a > victim too before that night. He was a victim of circumstance that had > him in an environment where if there were choices he was unable to see > them, so I can't simply applaud his death even if he was up to mischief. > Was that mischief enough to justify being shot? Well, by my lights, a hearty YES-- breaking into people's homes in the night does justify getting shot. I'd be very sad about the poor lad and all, but ultimately that is meaningless-- he's shot or he is not. > > anyone that has a criminal conviction involving certain terms of > imprisonment is refused a passport. This strikes me as very odd, but perhaps there is something which has not ocurred to me. What is the resoning behind this? > The plausible threats were taken seriously but have now been, to my > knowledge, discounted by everyone. All well and good for this case, but the seeming weakness in the structure of the laws in this regard apparently remains. A man threatened with revenge by criminals may have no means of self-defense. > > > self defence concerns me yes, you know that. But if someone I teach > refuses to listen to the lesson and goes out there and acts in a way > that brings it onto them then I find it hard to offer them sympathy. > That doesn't excuse the person who did the crime. I still find it quite hard to understand how anyone can "bring on" a break in of their home in the night, whether they are sympathetic or not. > So I discount the Martin episode and find anyone triumphanting of it > doing so to push across their own points for their own purpose > regardless of the facts. "Triumphanting"? Do you mean "trumpeting"? If so, yes of course I am trying to use the case to make a point-- its called supporting your conclusions and is a common technique in reasoned discourse. ;-) As to whether it is at variance with the facts please feel free to flesh out your assertions in this regard-- for example I began my post with excerpts from an English newspaper. I would be delighted to learn more. > Several years ago an Aberdeen man was lost in Houston. He was over for > work reasons and had been on a night out. He was lost and saw lights on > at a house and went and knocked on the front door to ask for help. The > occupant shot through the door and killed him believing him to be a > danger to his life. I have to ask whether this is what I want, the type > of society that shoots its neighbour instead of helping him. Its not, > quite simply. The facts as you present them here seem a clear example of culpable fear and stupidity. There are of course all the various cases of people defending their homes successfully with guns. I, or Ray Terry or any of the other gun rights people on this forum could innundate you with specific examples as well as macro-data (e.g. the post on DC, Maryland and Virginia) but I fear Ray would give my leash a hearty yank. woof, Crafty Dog PS: Folks, I thank Pat for sidebarring me to assure me that there is no hard feelings here. We're just two guys bantering. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest